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who should retire?

retirement blues


  • Total voters
    45
  • Poll closed .

pup11

International Coach
That's not how things work and should work. No one will and should get to run things the way he wants. And I am not blaming Chappell for all of India's woes, but just for his mistakes. As the coach his executions weren't in the best interests of Indian Cricket, although his ideas were.

Fair enough
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I dont think Dhoni does that kind of mindless thing. Besides Youth over experience isn't the best thing anyway.
Then how would you explain Ganguly not being a part of the current Indian outfit despite being India' leading run-getter in Odi' in the last 18 months or so, ok he may not fit in his long term plans, but when Ganguly is still willing to play and he is still performing then why should he be ignored.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Then how would you explain Ganguly not being a part of the current Indian outfit despite being India' leading run-getter in Odi' in the last 18 months or so, ok he may not fit in his long term plans, but when Ganguly is still willing to play and he is still performing then why should he be ignored.
I think Ganguly's fielding is going against him inspite of his efforts of late. PLUS he is not scoring at the rate he used to inspite of the odd hit over the fielders and he continues to be a very poor runner between the wickets.

Also the selectors seem to have decided that they are going to start any changes with the one day side. Which makes more sense. So the young players are going to be inducted into the one day side and see how they shape up.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Then how would you explain Ganguly not being a part of the current Indian outfit despite being India' leading run-getter in Odi' in the last 18 months or so, ok he may not fit in his long term plans, but when Ganguly is still willing to play and he is still performing then why should he be ignored.
Apart from what SJS has already mentioned, Ganguly's best value in the ODI team is as an opener and there he doesn't have a chance because India already has 3 people available on that slot and doing much better than Ganguly has done in last 12 months.

In Last 12 Months, As an Opener :-

Ganguly - Average 31.00, SR 74
Gambhir - Average 39.00, SR 95
Sehwag - Average 44.50. SR 100+

Then there is Tendulkar. Also Gambhir has done even better in the middle order which means Tendulkar/Sehwag are locked as opener and Gambhir can bat lower. That doesn't leave any room for Ganguly.
 

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I am glad you think so. I think the only one who has had a prolonged bad patch is Dravid. Here are the averages of the top Indians for the last two calendar years.

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[B]Player        	 Inns	 50s	 100s	 HS	 Runs	 Avg[/B]
V Sehwag	17	2	3	319	1046	65.4
S R Tendulkar	29	7	4	  *154	1287	49.5
V V S Laxman	30	8	2	  *112	1136	47.3
S C Ganguly	36	8	3	239	1565	46.0
G Gambhir	8	3	0	74	318	39.8
M S Dhoni	23	6	0	92	712	37.5
W Jaffer	28	5	3	202	994	36.8
R Dravid	36	6	2	129	1148	35.9
Yuvraj Singh	7	0	1	169	220	31.4
Yuvraj's figures are worse than what 31.4 suggests since 169 of his aggregate 220 came in one innings.

Dravid is the only one from the top order who is struggling though as you say he seems to be showing some revival.

I think this last Test series has to be treated like the series we had in New Zealand before the 2003 WC. Then, due to terrible wickets NO one got any runs worth talking of. This time it was Mendis. Here too everyone struggled. When an entire batting line up falters, you dont sack al of them. Thats stupid with a capital S.

I think we have to look at individual cases and assess what is left in each in cricketing terms.

I think Laxman is not the batsman he once was. With Tendulkar and Dravid, the purity of technique will see them overcome a bad patch. With Laxman it is not technique that makes him a terrific player, it is his intuitive sense of ball play and beautiful hands. These things, once you start losing them, go fast. I hope I am wrong, but I dont see more than a year or so left in him.

Tendulkar's problem is not his game but motivation. It doesn't look as if he is enjoying his game. He really needs something to motivate him. Thats why a rest always does him good. Time away from the game rekindles his spirit and hunger. I wish he would play carefree cricket without worrying for the runs and then when he stops enjoying them he may call it a day. He does not have to prove anything to anyone. Nor should a hundred international hundreds (which I am sure is all that drives him now) be his goal because all these will make him play a game alien to his nature which will never give him joy.

You can easily see that there are innings when the spontaneity is missing and he seems to be 'working' at his innings. This is not his nature and it will do him no good. If he sorts out his head he can play for more years for he is physically fit (I am not talking injuries) and he is not a passenger as a fielder.

Dravid has the most cricket left in him of the lot but he is playing his innings in his head. Every failure seems to bother him more and more. The exaggerated defense he offers and the complete oblivion to even pushing for singles indicates that he is playing too much to occupy the crease. He was never a fast scorer but there was a fluidity in his game. I feel his experience as captain towards the latter part of it left him very unhappy and he is clearly a very sensitive chap who keeps his emotions bottled up inside him. I don't know when I last saw him smile. Someone needs to put his arm around him and tell him he is wanted and should forget everything and just play. He is a tortured soul. Maybe a time away will do him good. But one big knock and his problems will be history. With Sachin, they will keep coming because he is much less motivated than Dravid.

Finally Ganguly. He is the weakest batsman of the lot. His main strength left is his spirit. His game, which was never of the caliber of the others. is fast going downhill. He came back to make a statement and he has done it. He needs to really decide that he will play one last series and then not offer himself for selection. But he is also the one most likely to burst out with a sparkling 70 or 80. He is also the worst fielder of the lot. He has the least to gain by staying.

I think this is the last year for Ganguly and Laxman wont go beyond middle of next year.
Sachin is unpredictable and Dravid will go for longest unless the captaincy for Tests passes to Dhoni and the new skipper has new ideas as he has in other matters.

The selectors have to start preparing. There is no way India can manage with all of them going together, thats why a proper succession has to be planned. Players have to be identified to replace each over time and they have to be given opportunities so that its clear which are up to it. Then they have to be eased into the team one by one over the next two-three years.

Sachin and Dravid can go on but surely they need a break. Sachin has got his.
A good summary, but i don't agree that one big hundred would solve Dravid's problems. He scored a century against SA not so long ago, at an extremely low strike rate on a flat, flat pitch, and by the next game he was in no better shape. Agree that the best thing for him now would be to take a break, but if someone like Badrinath comes in and does well, he could never play test cricket again.

Personally i feel he should be left out of their next squad, and told to take a break from the game while making it absolutely clear that the decision is reversable.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
A good summary, but i don't agree that one big hundred would solve Dravid's problems. He scored a century against SA not so long ago, at an extremely low strike rate on a flat, flat pitch, and by the next game he was in no better shape. Agree that the best thing for him now would be to take a break, but if someone like Badrinath comes in and does well, he could never play test cricket again.

Personally i feel he should be left out of their next squad, and told to take a break from the game while making it absolutely clear that the decision is reversable.
I should have said a GOOD big hundred. A struggling hundred does you no good. The longer you spend struggling on the wicket (even if runs are coming somehow, the worse you fel.

But I agree, he should be rested and he will come back. But, as you correctly said, he must be told he is just being rested. Its temporary. If this is done in the corect spirit and with sincerity and by people like Vengsarkar himself rather than idiots who officiate in the BCCI, it will be taken well by seniors.

They will understand that its good for them as well as the team.
 

ret

International Debutant


hey SJS, you look pretty sharp in that^ pic .... were you going out on a date? :naughty:
 

ret

International Debutant
would a line up like the one below make sense?

- Sehwag
- Gambhir
- Badri
- Tendulkar
- Laxman
- Rohit
- Dhoni
- Bhajji
- Zaheer
- Ishant
- Munaf
 

Ahmed_Tariq

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
would a line up like the one below make sense?

- Sehwag
- Gambhir
- Badri
- Tendulkar
- Laxman
- Rohit
- Dhoni
- Bhajji
- Zaheer
- Ishant
- Munaf
Cool, looks pretty solid. As pasag said, the part time bowling options maybe a problem as you are playing just 4 bowlers.

Swap Laxman for a full-time bowler or an all-rounder, maybe? Say, Praveen Kumar?
 
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pasag

RTDAS
would a line up like the one below make sense?

- Sehwag
- Gambhir
- Badri
- Tendulkar
- Laxman
- Rohit
- Dhoni
- Bhajji
- Zaheer
- Ishant
- Munaf
Pretty gun side. Part time bowling option is a bit weak and I'm not sure about Munaf but looks very solid.
 

pasag

RTDAS
I am sorry to say that, but I am inclined to disagree. Nearly all of the players you mentioned are in the blues of their careers. And yeah, have you got a grudge or something against Indian players? :laugh:

Going to discuss Sehwag first. Probably one of the best players in both recognized forms of the game. With an average of 53.14 in the Test Format and 32.45 in the ODI format and his age still 29, you say he should retire? Probably one of the most weird things I have ever heard. :blink:

Same reasons for Gambhir as were for Sehwag. And I think he's only about 25 years old. You want the Indian National Team to lose both of their quality opening batsman? :dry:

I dunno what you mean by Badri. Badrinath, probably? And if that's the case, may I know what has gotten into you? The chap's just played 2 games and you want him to retire? :huh:

Tendulkar, yeah. Agreed on that point.

Laxman, no. He remains and a quality and solid middle-order batsman in India's Test batting line-up.

Rohit Sharma? Hell, no. He's just begun his career, don't be so hard on the young guy! :laugh:

Dhoni, certainly no. He's India's best wicket-keeper in both forms of the game and is moreover India's captain in the ODI format. A good captain and a handy batsman.

Bhajji is going strong! He certainly shouldn't retire! Maybe retire after 2 or 3 years or after the 2011 World Cup?

The last 3 bowlers are quality ones and should stay and play on. Maybe you didn't see how Sharma demolished the Australian batsmen on Australian pitches earlier this year? And maybe you aren't even watching the on-going India vs Sri Lanka ODIs to know what Munaf and Zaheer are capable of. :dry:
It's a suggested future team, obv.
 

Ahmed_Tariq

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
What I had say is that maybe it's time that the 'Fab 3' should think about moving on. True, Tendulkar, Ganguly and Dravid were great batsmen in their time but I think that now they have sort of lost their glamour and charm.

What do you guys say?
 

pup11

International Coach
would a line up like the one below make sense?

- Sehwag
- Gambhir
- Badri
- Tendulkar
- Laxman
- Rohit
- Dhoni
- Bhajji
- Zaheer
- Ishant
- Munaf
Yeah looks like a pretty good side to me to, atleast on paper.
 

sanga1337

U19 Captain
would a line up like the one below make sense?

- Sehwag
- Gambhir
- Badri
- Tendulkar
- Laxman
- Rohit
- Dhoni
- Bhajji
- Zaheer
- Ishant
- Munaf
Looks like a decent side, although I probably wouldn't play Sharma. Hasn't really done enough in ODI's to get in the test team IMO. I would also replace Munaf with a spinner like Mishra, Chawla or Ohja
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Looks like a decent side, although I probably wouldn't play Sharma. Hasn't really done enough in ODI's to get in the test team IMO. I would also replace Munaf with a spinner like Mishra, Chawla or Ohja
yeah.. agree with that. I ll have Lax at 3 and Badri at 5 and probably someone else at 6, may even be Kaif.. Rohit needs to earn his spot through his FC performances, for me... Obviously, he has heaps of talent, but he needs to learn to play the big knocks...
 

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Looks like a decent side, although I probably wouldn't play Sharma. Hasn't really done enough in ODI's to get in the test team IMO. I would also replace Munaf with a spinner like Mishra, Chawla or Ohja
I thought that was an ODI side.

In any case, whether to play Munaf or another spinner would be optional depending on conditions. For me, that spinner would be Mishra over Chawla or Ojha every time, in tests or ODIs.
 

ret

International Debutant
I would also replace Munaf with a spinner like Mishra, Chawla or Ohja
thats a good option too but personally i don't like 2 pacers and 2 spinners combination unless the track is a turner or the spinners are of high quality. usually, 2+2 combination is like you are neither here nor there

more often than not, i would have
- 3 pacers and a spinner
or
- 2 pacers, 1 pace bowling all-rounder and 2 spinners
or
- 3 pacers, 1 spinner and 1 spin bowling all-rounder
 

sanga1337

U19 Captain
I thought that was an ODI side.

In any case, whether to play Munaf or another spinner would be optional depending on conditions. For me, that spinner would be Mishra over Chawla or Ojha every time, in tests or ODIs.
I thought it was a test side because it had Laxman in it...
 

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