Guess who's back? Back Again

[Sanz]

The funny part is the sort of guy he is there is a strong possibility for it to happen.

So Which Law Shoaib has Broken ?

Look it is okay for people to dislike or even Hate Shoaib for not fulfilling his potential as a cricketer but making absurd comments like the one Richard made (and you supported ) is getting ridiculously stupid.

It is so annoying to see people jumping on Shoaib-bashing Bandwagon.

 

[howardj]

So sick of this guy.

 

[Woodster]

Nothing surprises me with the Pakistan selection committee, and for Shoaib to get another chance only emphasises his importance and crowd pulling abillity for him to continually be recalled after acts of stupidity.

Probably the only player everyone sries for the book to be thrown at when he steps out of line, but is then genuinely excited when his ban is prematurely lifted.

 

[Anil]

so shoaib is back...the question how many overs will pakistan get from him this time before the inevitable happens?

 

[Burgey]

Sportsbet market on overs to be bowled by Shoaib in CT:

< 6 - $3.60
6-20 - $1.90
20-35 - $8.00
>35 - $81.00

 

[anoop4real]

Do the Pakistani selectors never learn? The guy may be good but completely screws up team morale. I thought they had actually turned a corner and were getting some team spirit back. Guess not!

Ha ha thats right Pak team & Board is a big mess

 

[Precambrian]

Well, had he been a bit more focussed and blessed with a captain like Steve Waugh or Imran Khan, this guy would've easily become Pakistan's Shane Warne. He still is, only in the negatives.

 

[Uppercut]

Well, had he been a bit more focussed and blessed with a captain like Steve Waugh or Imran Khan, this guy would've easily become Pakistan's Shane Warne. He still is, only in the negatives.

Nah. Akhtar just whings the ball down extremely fast and has a bad attitude. Always preferred Asif myself as a bowler.

 

[Xuhaib]

Nah. Akhtar just whings the ball down extremely fast and has a bad attitude. Always preferred Asif myself as a bowler.

Me too, the only problem being that the guy turned out to be even worse then Shoaib attitude wise.

 

[Uppercut]

Me too, the only problem being that the guy turned out to be even worse then Shoaib attitude wise.

Hey, those charges weren't proven. He's innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Richard]

So Which Law Shoaib has Broken ?

Look it is okay for people to dislike or even Hate Shoaib for not fulfilling his potential as a cricketer but making absurd comments like the one Richard made (and you supported ) is getting ridiculously stupid.

It is so annoying to see people jumping on Shoaib-bashing Bandwagon.

There are countless good reasons to bash Shoaib - he's done so much harm to the game of cricket, especially but not exclusively in Pakistan, it's untrue. It'd be so much best for everyone if there was some way which he could be barred from coming back into the game right this minute.

 

[SJS]

Hey, those charges weren't proven. He's innocent until proven guilty.

.... and of course in Pakistan you are never 'found' to be guilty so you are always innocent

 

[Precambrian]

There are countless good reasons to bash Shoaib - he's done so much harm to the game of cricket, especially but not exclusively in Pakistan, it's untrue. It'd be so much best for everyone if there was some way which he could be barred from coming back into the game right this minute.

Specifically? I understand he had some testosterone-fuelled problems with his teammates and coaches, but a strong captain like Imran Khan would've had an antidote.

As of now I don't find anything that differentiates the attitudes of Shane Warne or Shoiab Akthar.

 

[Burgey]

Sorry, can you just repeat that last sentence for me please?

 

[Precambrian]

Sorry, can you just repeat that last sentence for me please?

Read it. It's printed. Not said.

Too much of "i can't stand him.... Lolz.... He's such a disgrace to cricket... blah blah blah... etc.." going on here about Shoiab. Actually, what is that he has done what Shane Warne has NOT done? In fact Shane Warne has done worse things (bloody hell, he got banned from cricket from a full year for use of diuretics or whatever crap), problems with his national coach, problems with his smoking, libido etc etc. crap crap. Hell, he even got connected with match fixing along with Mark Waugh (though later dropped I think)

However, Shane Warne, when he had a ball in his hand was a master. And Cricket Australia ensured that despite all his misdoings off the field, he had he ball in the hand when it really mattered.

Here is where PCB has failed in case of Akthar. He was a raw talent. And PCB failed to channelise that raw talent into solid performances. Something which a Steve Waugh or an Imran Khan would definitely would have done. There was no mentor for Shoiab Akthar to look up to. No inspiration or reward for his performances. Then such people chase other arenas for recognition. PCB, instead of playing mentor role, played to crowd. And never thought of long term effect or utility of such a player.

 

[Craig]

How many comebacks has he had now?

 

[Richard]

Specifically? I understand he had some testosterone-fuelled problems with his teammates and coaches, but a strong captain like Imran Khan would've had an antidote.

As of now I don't find anything that differentiates the attitudes of Shane Warne or Shoiab Akthar.

Read it. It's printed. Not said.

Too much of "i can't stand him.... Lolz.... He's such a disgrace to cricket... blah blah blah... etc.." going on here about Shoiab. Actually, what is that he has done what Shane Warne has NOT done? In fact Shane Warne has done worse things (bloody hell, he got banned from cricket from a full year for use of diuretics or whatever crap), problems with his national coach, problems with his smoking, libido etc etc. crap crap. Hell, he even got connected with match fixing along with Mark Waugh (though later dropped I think)

However, Shane Warne, when he had a ball in his hand was a master. And Cricket Australia ensured that despite all his misdoings off the field, he had he ball in the hand when it really mattered.

Here is where PCB has failed in case of Akthar. He was a raw talent. And PCB failed to channelise that raw talent into solid performances. Something which a Steve Waugh or an Imran Khan would definitely would have done. There was no mentor for Shoiab Akthar to look up to. No inspiration or reward for his performances. Then such people chase other arenas for recognition. PCB, instead of playing mentor role, played to crowd. And never thought of long term effect or utility of such a player.

I don't really see the particular relevance of all of this. Yes, had Shoaib been straitjacketed and had someone somehow found a way to stop him causing trouble (if such a thing were possible, which isn't a given) then he could indeed have been a phenomenal bowler, were his fitness better (which again it's not a given that someone would have been able to find a way to make happen - some people simply have fragile bodies).

However, that did not happen and it's too late to change anything now. So therefore Pakistan and everyone would be better off if he was never seen in cricket again and his influence dissipated.

 

[Precambrian]

However, that did not happen and it's too late to change anything now. So therefore Pakistan and everyone would be better off if he was never seen in cricket again and his influence dissipated.

Just thinking whether you'd have said that of Flintoff post his Fredalo incident (where he literally jinxed England's WC chances with his irresponsible booze behaviour) or Warne (Diuretics ban - 2003 WC)

 

[vic_orthdox]

I see Pnottath's point, but the bigger difference I think is that Warne's number one priority was always his cricket. He was always in the game, and wanted to inject himself into the game.

Can't say the same of Shoaib.

 

[Richard]

Just thinking whether you'd have said that of Flintoff post his Fredalo incident (where he literally jinxed England's WC chances with his irresponsible booze behaviour) or Warne (Diuretics ban - 2003 WC)

The idea that Flintoff's irresponsibility jinxed England's WC2007 chances is utter nonsense. England were a poor team and were shown to be such a thing, the "Flintoff's antics tightened us up" thing is just an excuse. The same players have performed poorly in ODIs on many other occasions without any Fredalos.

Aside from that fact, of course Flintoff has never been a serial misbehaver. He had issues with his weight and fitness a long time ago, but he's never been one to disrupt the team with the way he goes about things nor do stuff which brings shame on the whole game. The Fredalo incident was a one-off error on his part. Flintoff in this respect is totally incomparable to Warne and Shoaib Akhtar.