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Ajantha Mendis: Can this mystery ever be solved?

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
And we all know Lax is not the best player of spin and credit to him for having played 100+ deliveries off Murali without losing his wicket to him once this series so far. And Gambhir is yet to be proven at the Test level.
Both Gambhir and Laxman are exceptional players of spin bowling. I think it's fair to say out of the current Indian batsman that Gambhir would rank as #1 as far as ability against the slow bowlers is concerned, while Laxman is simply a magnificent player of spin.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
He is very good but I do think batsmen will figure him out eventually. But as he has shown, he has character as well, and I think he will learn few things himself and so on...


It will be extremely wonderful and fascinating following his career progression. He is going to benefit hugely by having Murali at the other end for the first few years of his career (and I am sure it will be a HUGE help to Murali as well, as the first test of the series showed) and later on, I guess if he shows the sort of character strength that he has shown in this series, he will be more than ready to take up the mantle once Murali retires.



Ah... what would I have given to see have seen Lara against this guy? EAsily the most ridiculously gifted player of spin I have seen against the most ridiculously gifted spinner in terms of variety and accuracy, if not anything else...




Lara and Chanderpaul against these two in SRi Lanka would have been gold........ :(
 

Dissector

International Debutant
I was very impressed with the way he got Gambhir out in his last two innings when he was well set. Gambhir is a good player of spin and he has seen a fair bit of Mendis by now. Those two dismissals suggest that batsmen will have a tougher time getting used to Mendis than some imagine.
 

Precambrian

Banned
Both Gambhir and Laxman are exceptional players of spin bowling. I think it's fair to say out of the current Indian batsman that Gambhir would rank as #1 as far as ability against the slow bowlers is concerned, while Laxman is simply a magnificent player of spin.
Barring Tendulkar and a Dravid at his prime.
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Barring Tendulkar and a Dravid at his prime.
Well, yes and no. Obviously Gambhir has been playing spin in this series much better than Tendulkar and Dravid, and also in general over the last year or so, where Gambhir has emerged as an effective Twenty20 and ODI batsman. It's also logical that a batsman of Dravid's calibre will play spin bowling better when he is in prime form, but that is almost irrelevant as you aren't comparing two players equally.

Going back to the 2008 CB series, where IMO, Gambhir proved that he was ready to step up to ODI level and look at some of his innings. They were excellent examples of how to play spin, and there was talk during that series that his ability against the slow bowlers was greater than that of Tendulkar's. Obviously we can't say for sure, as his Test career has been interrupted several teams but maybe now he will get a decent run.

Also, just something I read on cricinfo that I think needs to be added here.

http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/slvind/content/story/363406.html

cricinfo article said:
Gambhir has been in and out of India's dressing room plenty of times to now know what is required to seal a permanent spot. On this tour, his first Test opportunity since the home series against Pakistan in December, he has been India's most consistent batsman and key to that has been tackling Murali and Ajantha Mendis. "So far in this match we've really played them well and set the game for our bowlers to turn this around," said Gambhir. "Murali and Mendis have a lot of variation and it's very difficult, but you have to take whatever they throw against you. That's the best way to go. You cannot be predetermined to go at them because they have so much variety that you need to react after they deliver the ball."

What is most refreshing about Gambhir is his positive footwork against spin. He credited his success against Murali and Mendis to the amount of spin played in domestic cricket, "on similar tracks that offer spin, turn and bounce". He negated Murali by using his feet, and at times, very selectively, playing against the turn. Gambhir not only watched the ball "out of Mendis's fingers, because most of his variations come from there", but read it off the track, like Sehwag, eliminating any second-guessing. When he defended, he made sure to stretch well forward. His started attacking only after he had judged the length.
 

Precambrian

Banned
Well, yes and no. Obviously Gambhir has been playing spin in this series much better than Tendulkar and Dravid, and also in general over the last year or so, where Gambhir has emerged as an effective Twenty20 and ODI batsman. It's also logical that a batsman of Dravid's calibre will play spin bowling better when he is in prime form, but that is almost irrelevant as you aren't comparing two players equally.
I think Gambhir has definitely played spin better than Dravid this series. But Tendulkar? Well the stats doesnt say so. Tendulkar has played Mendis quite superbly the whole series, scoring at a Strike rate of over 90 ( 53 off 57 balls) and not got out even once to him. Of course another matter he did get out to Murali two times, So did Gambhir. So I won't go to the extent of calling Gambhir a better player of spin bowling than Gambhir at the moment. He is just too new and raw for that. Atleast in the Test format.

Going back to the 2008 CB series, where IMO, Gambhir proved that he was ready to step up to ODI level and look at some of his innings. They were excellent examples of how to play spin, and there was talk during that series that his ability against the slow bowlers was greater than that of Tendulkar's. Obviously we can't say for sure, as his Test career has been interrupted several teams but maybe now he will get a decent run.
Hmm.. I was following entire series on ESPN STAR, and Cricinfo, such a comment did escape me. However, Australia is hardly the place to judge one's ability to play the slower variety. Still Gambhir I would say currently is the second best overall player of spin in the Indian ranks. I think a certain Shane Warne would second my opinion.
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I think Gambhir has definitely played spin better than Dravid this series. But Tendulkar? Well the stats doesnt say so. Tendulkar has played Mendis quite superbly the whole series, scoring at a Strike rate of over 90 ( 53 off 57 balls) and not got out even once to him. Of course another matter he did get out to Murali two times, So did Gambhir. So I won't go to the extent of calling Gambhir a better player of spin bowling than Gambhir at the moment. He is just too new and raw for that. Atleast in the Test format.
When I made my initial comment about Gambhir's ability in comparison to Tendulkar, I wasn't specifically referring to Mendis in the current series, as I am well aware that Tendulkar hasn't been dismissed by the young mystery spinner. However, there are two spinners playing in the series and Gambhir has been the one to score runs against both Muralitharan and Mendis bowling in tandem. Tendulkar is one of the greatest batsmen the world of cricket has seen, but I do think that Gambhir is the best player of spin bowling in the Indian side. Obviously Tendulkar a bigger reputation due to his feats at international level, but for me, Gambhir is more able and comfortable.

Hmm.. I was following entire series on ESPN STAR, and Cricinfo, such a comment did escape me. However, Australia is hardly the place to judge one's ability to play the slower variety.
I'm fairly certain that there was discussion amongst the commentators during the CB series about Gambhir's ability against spin bowling, and I am also pretty sure that the CricketWeb community gave it a fair amount of thought, and there were quite a few members who heaped praise upon Gambhir for the way he plays spin so effectively.

Still Gambhir I would say currently is the second best overall player of spin in the Indian ranks. I think a certain Shane Warne would second my opinion.
He probably would, as Tendulkar played some magnificent innings against Warne during his career. However, I don't think that Gambhir faced Warne extensively in Test cricket, so any claim that Warne would support your opinion is slightly misleading, as Warne would be biased towards Tendulkar due to the history between the two, whereas he has barely bowled to Gambhir.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
For me, what makes Mendis a big threat is that he doesn't seem overawed by anything. He seems to be very nonchalant which is rare in Test debutants. He isn't overexcited about his great start nor does he seem to worry so much if things are not going his way.

That, IMO, is as good of an attribute as any mystery ball.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
I've read a lot about this 'batsmen will pick him out' talk, but for someone as talented as he is, why can't we look at this in a glass is half full manner and say that as he gains more experience, he will learn new tricks?
You mean he will ionvent a new mystery ball every time his old one is figured out. I hope I live to see that. We would have discovered the greatest cricketer, nay greatest sportsman, ever and so close from home - WOW.

My dear, he may continue to bowl accurately and bowl well and turn the ball a lot and there by become a very successfull bowler indeed. Thats quite possible. But to imagine that his mystery/mysteries will last or that he wil keep discovering new ones as the old ones are unravelled is to bestow him with super powers that haven't been seen in 200 years of organised cricket.
 

Woodster

International Captain
It is quite clear that Mendis is an exceptionally exciting spin bowler who has proved already that he can compete and out-do some world class batsmen. He is still new to the world scene and perhaps for his first 12 months or so in Test cricket will be a mystery to most batting sides. Once he has been studied with great depth and batsmen have an idea of how he operates and thinks, then will be the test of how Mendis freshens up his game in order to keep one step ahead of the batsmen.

If he is to become truly world class, he will counter the new found confidence batters will have in picking his deliveries and take his own game to the next level. Like with Murali though, it is one thing picking his deliveries but it is still a huge challenge in playing them effectively.
 

Migara

International Coach
Best player of spin in world cricket >> Virender Sehwag. Rarely gets out to spinners as well.

If you wanted me to list best three spin players in entire cricket history, I would go for

1. Navjot Sidhu
2. Virender Sehwag
3. Brian Lara / Mohammed Azharuddin
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
Best player of spin in world cricket >> Virender Sehwag. Rarely gets out to spinners as well.

If you wanted me to list best three spin players in entire cricket history, I would go for

1. Navjot Sidhu
2. Virender Sehwag
3. Brian Lara / Mohammed Azharuddin
:laugh: Oh my God. It's a good job no one asked you to list them then isn't it?
 

PhoenixFire

International Coach
Andy Flower, by far, is the best ever player of spin IMO. At times it was just as though he was never, ever going to get out to it.
 

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