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Who Would Be Your Choice As New England Captain?
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Scaly piscine
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Fills his boots with soft runs, then goes missing when it matters playing dumb shots. Epitomises the England batting lineup somewhat.
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I thought it was a joke, I hoped it was anyway
Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
You should have said Monty Panesar to make certain.
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Well, as I said, I did think so.
Very funny it was too, now the England selectors will complete the hilarity, by making it fact
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
The selectors must not feel that they need to pick the same captain for both ODIs and Tests. They should pick the best Test captain and, if he happens to warrant a place in the ODI team, then he can be ODI captain too. They must not compromise the success of the Test team for the sake of one-day success.
So, if Strauss would be the best Test captain, they should appoint him irrespective of the fact that he's not in the ODI team.
And Strauss is probably the man I'd pick. He did a good job when he had the role in MV's absence and was treated poorly when Flintoff was selected to lead the Ashes defence in 2006/7.
Pietersen is a player I rate very highly but I don't see him as Test captain (at least for now). ODI captain maybe - but I can't say I care too much about that.
So, if Strauss would be the best Test captain, they should appoint him irrespective of the fact that he's not in the ODI team.
And Strauss is probably the man I'd pick. He did a good job when he had the role in MV's absence and was treated poorly when Flintoff was selected to lead the Ashes defence in 2006/7.
Pietersen is a player I rate very highly but I don't see him as Test captain (at least for now). ODI captain maybe - but I can't say I care too much about that.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Strauss for me, in tests at least. The big advantage he has is that he's the only semi-regular with any serious experience of FC captaincy, having being Middlesex's captain before his call to the colours. Also did well when he lead us against Pakistan on & off the pitch in what, with the (non-) forfeiture, must've been fairly ticklish times.
I would've kept a split captaincy with Colly as ODI/2020 skip, but with his *coughs* resignation (yeah, right...) all roads lead to Pietersen. Which, in its way, is quite conservative, actually. He's our best player in both forms and (after Fred) probably the most recognisable face of English cricket. The trouble I see is that we've had decidedly mixed fortunes with going with our best player (Botham, Flintoff) rather than the best captain.
I would've kept a split captaincy with Colly as ODI/2020 skip, but with his *coughs* resignation (yeah, right...) all roads lead to Pietersen. Which, in its way, is quite conservative, actually. He's our best player in both forms and (after Fred) probably the most recognisable face of English cricket. The trouble I see is that we've had decidedly mixed fortunes with going with our best player (Botham, Flintoff) rather than the best captain.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
As Ive said earlier today, the more this develops the more it seems that the T20 is the key.
Split ODI and Test captains isnt an issue. It is split T20 and Test captains that is the potential problem.
With the money involved and the publicity then it is possible the T20 captain becomes the face and main position (earning far more than the Test captain).
Appointing KP makes sure this difference does not exist and cleverly (if not subtly) avoids the potential conflict.
The ECB do not want T20 captain as the main position so by having the same guy then the Test captain retains the superiority.
Split ODI and Test captains isnt an issue. It is split T20 and Test captains that is the potential problem.
With the money involved and the publicity then it is possible the T20 captain becomes the face and main position (earning far more than the Test captain).
Appointing KP makes sure this difference does not exist and cleverly (if not subtly) avoids the potential conflict.
The ECB do not want T20 captain as the main position so by having the same guy then the Test captain retains the superiority.
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
I agree. I don't want Pietersen's batting to suffer, which I fear it would, and I've got no reason to believe he would make a good, or even competent, captain. I would be delighted to be proved wrong on both counts.
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
This is a very interesting point - I hadn't thought of that
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
Well it just seems obvious to me that, in this world where money defines worth, that if the T20 captain is getting paid 4 times what the Test captain is getting paid then that could very quickly relegate the Test captaincy to a 2nd string position.
Having the same guy keeps the Test captain as the highest paid player.
tin_tin
Cricket Spectator
Like to see Strauss take over.
Has shown great temprement, and leadership qualitys againsed Pakistan, and dealt with it really well. Plus has captained his county
I thought he was a bit hard done by when they chose Flintoff to lead us in that Ashes series down under.
He just seems the most obvious candidate in my opinion. Also when Vaughan left the field the other day, he took temporary charge.
Just cant see Pietersen as captain. I fear his batting may slip because of the extra burden.
But if it is Pietersen, then they have taken a gamble. Just hope it pays off
Has shown great temprement, and leadership qualitys againsed Pakistan, and dealt with it really well. Plus has captained his county
I thought he was a bit hard done by when they chose Flintoff to lead us in that Ashes series down under.
He just seems the most obvious candidate in my opinion. Also when Vaughan left the field the other day, he took temporary charge.
Just cant see Pietersen as captain. I fear his batting may slip because of the extra burden.
But if it is Pietersen, then they have taken a gamble. Just hope it pays off
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
Even if that's not the best thing for the Test team?
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
The last time I can say IMO England were a good ODI team was in 2004. They have lucked out with a series win or so since then but they have generally been poor.
The interesting thing about the 2004 ODI team is that it was the core of the Test team supplimented by a few ODI specialists.
Who were the 4 best ODI players that summer? (England played 12 ODIs that summer) They were Harmison (best player by a mile), Flintoff, Collingwood and Strauss.
Im not crazy enough to suggest Strauss is a special ODI player. However, he is certainly servicable and is nowhere close to Vaughaneque levels of limited over incompetance. Id far rather Strauss played than some random average County cricketer which we have seen at the top of the innings recently.
The interesting thing about the 2004 ODI team is that it was the core of the Test team supplimented by a few ODI specialists.
Who were the 4 best ODI players that summer? (England played 12 ODIs that summer) They were Harmison (best player by a mile), Flintoff, Collingwood and Strauss.
Im not crazy enough to suggest Strauss is a special ODI player. However, he is certainly servicable and is nowhere close to Vaughaneque levels of limited over incompetance. Id far rather Strauss played than some random average County cricketer which we have seen at the top of the innings recently.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Until recently, I'd have said it wasn't and that ODI considerations impacting on Tests was disastrous.
However, with the advent of the Stanford payday stuff, it does look like it's going to be pretty vital for the Test and T2I captains to be the same person. Because otherwise that leaves us open to all sorts of inequities that could tear the game apart from within.