chalky
International Debutant
Where is Mark Butcher when you need him - or Laxman & Dravid for that matter
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***Official*** South Africa in England
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chalky
International Debutant
Ego according to Shaun Pollock
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Even August 2001 was a bit of a maverick occasion - dead Test, declaration made only in an attempt to attain a whitewash (had it been, say, 2-0, then Gilchrist would have allowed the rain to make it a forlorn draw). England had nothing to lose, they might as well have gone for it.
And interesting - a bit (just a bit!) of turn, with bounce. And then Morkel gets Strauss.
Goughy
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, there are guys knocking around, but none that get me excited as potential replacements that can do better.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
This is Vaughan's worst summer with the bat since 2005. But his captaincy isn't poor by any stretch.
Why is he still in the team? Well, put simply, captains get more chances than non-captains do. Is it right? Debateable. Is it the way things are? You betcha.
Scores level. England are now 0 for 3.
Why is he still in the team? Well, put simply, captains get more chances than non-captains do. Is it right? Debateable. Is it the way things are? You betcha.
Scores level. England are now 0 for 3.
I'm guessing it's a hangover from 04/05 when England played attacking, scored 400 in a day iagainst Australia. However that was on the back of a year or two of good fom, in complete contrast to the current side. England need to be disciplined here.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
It was also the other way around from what people think - the bowling allowed the scoring-rate. It wasn't a case of the batsmen deciding to score quickly. South Africa's bowling is far too good for scoring-rates like that to be possible most of the time, so if you don't have the ability to score slower you're stuffed.
Even South Africa's attack of 2004/05 was pretty good, and England managed to get some runs there, though not as many as plenty of people were expecting pre-series. Only batsman who scored all that much was Strauss, with Trescothick mixing two massive innings in with lots of poor ones and Vaughan having his customary 1 good game per series with 4 poor ones.
Even South Africa's attack of 2004/05 was pretty good, and England managed to get some runs there, though not as many as plenty of people were expecting pre-series. Only batsman who scored all that much was Strauss, with Trescothick mixing two massive innings in with lots of poor ones and Vaughan having his customary 1 good game per series with 4 poor ones.
popepouri
State Vice-Captain
Do you think it's that England pick players on how well they do in ODIs and Tests and not just Test level? If you look at the SA side, there's numerous players that are there because they are excellent Test match players and ok/terrible ODI players E.g. Amla, McKenzie, and Prince. Is that a concern?