Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
He is not rated highly due to his statistics but due to people watching him play and so that comment is somewhat odd.
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Richard
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No, Stephen Harmison deserves those titles far more than anyone in recent times. Andrew Symonds too.
Scaly piscine
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No he's rated because peasants make him some sort of cult figure, which means that everyone in the media suddenly likes him and has to build him up at every opportunity. See England footballers for an example of how hype is as important as performance to the muppet masses.
If his figures weren't constantly flattered by picking up cheap wickets like today then maybe these masses might actually be able to work out that he's actually pretty unremarkable as finger spinners go while most such players can actually bat and field in the first place.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
Have other spinners not had the same opportunities as Monty to have 'flattering' figures? I'm sure Gilo must have bowled to the tail one or two times.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Yeah, Philip Tufnell, Venkatapathy Raju, Paul Harris, Rajesh Chauhan and Raymond Price were\are such brilliant batsmen and fielders, and Robert Croft is such a brilliant fielder.
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zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
I can tell that I'm venturing into a weird world of anti-Monty extremism here but I disagree that he's flattered by his stats or that he merely mops up cheap tailend wickets. I rather think he gets good batsmen out.
A couple of examples spring to mind:
Old Trafford 2006
1st innings:
Mohammad Yousuf
Faisal Iqbal
Shahid Afridi
2nd innings:
Imran Farhat
Mohammad Yousuf
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Younis Khan
Faisal Iqbal
Perth 06/07
1st innings:
Langer
Symonds
Gilchrist
Warne
Lee
2nd innings:
Hayden
Hussey
Symonds
Obviously at other times he will have mopped up the tail. But that's part of a bowler's job too, and all bowlers will have benefitted from the cheap wickets on offer later on in the innings.
fredfertang
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Mr Zaremba you appear to be overlooking the exacting requirements of this tribunal not to mention its unique and very special flexible standard of proof
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
Why does everyone keep replying to Scaly? 
grecian
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah it's bizarre. It's well known you just ignore him when he's on one of his ridiculous "everyone else is wrong on this person and I'm right because I'm Special and not like the rest of you" subjects.Why does everyone keep replying to Scaly?
zaremba
Cricketer Of The Year
I was listing all his wickets in those matches. I wasn't trying to suggest that all the batsmen were good. By listing all his wickets was simply showing that not one of them was a rank tailender, and the great majority of them were top or middle order batsmen.Much as there's obviously been several occasions when he's got good batsmen out, calling Shahid Afridi, Imran Farhat and Faisal Iqbal such things is stretching it a bit.Andrew Symonds, Shane Warne and Brett Lee too.
Which of them you would describe as good batsmen may be a matter of personal opinion, but in my view the likes of Inzi, Younis Khan, Langer, Gilchrist and (though I hate to admit it) Symonds are pretty fair batsmen.
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
My bad, I put him on my ignore list but upon reading his posts couldn't resist.Why does everyone keep replying to Scaly?
grecian
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It is slightly annoying, because I have to read them too, if you quote him
Scaly piscine
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Lets go through the Tests in reverse order.
This Test, 3-65 3 tailenders when it's too little too late. Rubbish
1st Test v SA, 4-190 in 86 overs - 2 tailenders. One batsman bowled around his legs another clipped to midwicket. Failed miserably with 0 wickets in 60 overs in SA's 2nd innings when trying to force a win
3rd Test v NZ 0-21
2nd Test v NZ 7-138. Horrible first innings performance puts England in trouble. Then 6 wickets in the 2nd innings when NZ decided to keep trying and sweep him and pad up to straight balls, included 1 tailender and Vettori.
1st Test v NZ 2-86. McCullum missing a straight ball on 97 and failed taking 1 wicket in 24 overs in NZ's second innings when trying to force a result.
3rd Test v NZ 6-126. Took 46 overs to take these wickets with NZ trying to get a draw. Standard lbw to a typical non-turner, top-edged long hop, lazy cut shot edged behind, a rare genuine edge from a good delivery, McCullum missing another non-turner and a tailender.
2nd Test v NZ 1-55. Last man out hits it to long-on
1st Test v NZ 4-151. A rare genuine edge in the first innings costing over 100 runs. 3 cheap meaningless wickets in the 2nd innings during a declaration charge including 1 tailender.
3rd Test v SL 0-76. Useless.
2nd Test v SL 2-150. Last two wickets in a declaration charge, one of them a tailender.
1st Test v SL 6-178. 1st innings 2 tailenders and a properly earned good wicket. 2nd innings 3-132, all 3 late wickets in a declaration charge, One tailender and another caught at long-on.
Do I need to go on or are you lot *finally* getting it?
This Test, 3-65 3 tailenders when it's too little too late. Rubbish
1st Test v SA, 4-190 in 86 overs - 2 tailenders. One batsman bowled around his legs another clipped to midwicket. Failed miserably with 0 wickets in 60 overs in SA's 2nd innings when trying to force a win
3rd Test v NZ 0-21
2nd Test v NZ 7-138. Horrible first innings performance puts England in trouble. Then 6 wickets in the 2nd innings when NZ decided to keep trying and sweep him and pad up to straight balls, included 1 tailender and Vettori.
1st Test v NZ 2-86. McCullum missing a straight ball on 97 and failed taking 1 wicket in 24 overs in NZ's second innings when trying to force a result.
3rd Test v NZ 6-126. Took 46 overs to take these wickets with NZ trying to get a draw. Standard lbw to a typical non-turner, top-edged long hop, lazy cut shot edged behind, a rare genuine edge from a good delivery, McCullum missing another non-turner and a tailender.
2nd Test v NZ 1-55. Last man out hits it to long-on
1st Test v NZ 4-151. A rare genuine edge in the first innings costing over 100 runs. 3 cheap meaningless wickets in the 2nd innings during a declaration charge including 1 tailender.
3rd Test v SL 0-76. Useless.
2nd Test v SL 2-150. Last two wickets in a declaration charge, one of them a tailender.
1st Test v SL 6-178. 1st innings 2 tailenders and a properly earned good wicket. 2nd innings 3-132, all 3 late wickets in a declaration charge, One tailender and another caught at long-on.
Do I need to go on or are you lot *finally* getting it?
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Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
You don't have to read anything if you're capable of skipping over a post, which really isn't very difficult.It is slightly annoying, because I have to read them too, if you quote him
Manee
Cricketer Of The Year
I'm so sorry (not being sarcastic).It is slightly annoying, because I have to read them too, if you quote him
grecian
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Hey it's alright, but as long as they have an ignore system here, I fully intend to use it
grecian
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You click on profile of the person who aggravates you, and it says "put this user on Ignore".
It's an imperfect system as the more "controversial" and "ridiculous" the persons views are in your opinon, the more they'll get quoted by others, but it's still the best way with some, to be honest.