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[Barney Rubble]

Interesting article on the WWE writing staff. Highlights everything wrong with RAW at the moment.

To me this article is pretty pedantic. Why pick holes in Cena's promo material, when you can guarantee that seven years ago when The Rock brought out a midget dressed as Booker T, this guy was laughing his head off like everyone else? There was a time when Rocky used to make references to his own genitalia on a regular basis, and no-one complained. For some reason Cena is fair game for criticism, even when the stuff he's being criticised about is not remotely his fault.

Wrestling writers these days will pick holes in absolutely anything, and after a while it all starts to sound the same. I'm bored of so called "smart" marks writing articles running down the WWE product to the extent that you wonder why they even watch it. CM Punk is World Champion - what more do they want, Matt Sydal as WWE Champion? Just watch the show and enjoy it, you wouldn't pick holes in another TV show the same way.

 

[Agent TBY]

To me this article is pretty pedantic. Why pick holes in Cena's promo material, when you can guarantee that seven years ago when The Rock brought out a midget dressed as Booker T, this guy was laughing his head off like everyone else? There was a time when Rocky used to make references to his own genitalia on a regular basis, and no-one complained. For some reason Cena is fair game for criticism, even when the stuff he's being criticised about is not remotely his fault.

Wrestling writers these days will pick holes in absolutely anything, and after a while it all starts to sound the same. I'm bored of so called "smart" marks writing articles running down the WWE product to the extent that you wonder why they even watch it. CM Punk is World Champion - what more do they want, Matt Sydal as WWE Champion? Just watch the show and enjoy it, you wouldn't pick holes in another TV show the same way.

DWTA. I thought he brought up some good points about the scripted promos (I've been going on about that for ages), and Gerwirtz's general incompetence. The only place where I thought he went overboard was criticising Cena for not veto-ing his lines.

 

[Barney Rubble]

DWTA. I thought he brought up some good points about the scripted promos (I've been going on about that for ages), and Gerwirtz's general incompetence. The only place where I thought he went overboard was criticising Cena for not veto-ing his lines.

I'm not saying I don't agree that Brian Gewirtz isn't doing a good job on RAW, just that the writer seems to be singling out Cena for something that tons of guys have been victims of in the past. I don't see anyone pointing out the fact that Batista has been cutting the same promo non-stop for three years, and he's the only guy on the roster who gets close to the amount of heat Cena does from the IWC.

 

[masterblaster]

Just finished watching TNA Victory Road. Really enjoyable PPV with a fantastic opening match and some solid mid card matches. The only weird finish was with the Booker T vs Samoa Joe match which finished in strange circumstances.

The opening match of the show was the 12 Man Elimination World X Cup Match. This match is a must see if you're a wrestling fan and it's hot off PPV since it happened today. If you don't think this is awesome, then you can't possibly like wrestling. This is TNA at it's very best.

Enjoy!

TNA Victory Road World X Cup Match Part 1: http://www.dailymotion.com/stylesftw/video/x64b1b_world-cup-x-12-manpart1_sport

TNA Victory Road World X Cup Match Part 2: http://www.dailymotion.com/stylesftw/video/x64b31_world-cup-x-12-manpart2_sport

 

[masterblaster]

I'm not saying I don't agree that Brian Gewirtz isn't doing a good job on RAW, just that the writer seems to be singling out Cena for something that tons of guys have been victims of in the past. I don't see anyone pointing out the fact that Batista has been cutting the same promo non-stop for three years, and he's the only guy on the roster who gets close to the amount of heat Cena does from the IWC.

Batista gets plenty of stick in the IWC. The guy is as one dimensional as they get and the fact that he's been shoved into every single PPV main event over the last 4 years is terrible. Shows that if you have pull with Triple H you can really have a great career.

 

[duffer]

I'm not saying I don't agree that Brian Gewirtz isn't doing a good job on RAW, just that the writer seems to be singling out Cena for something that tons of guys have been victims of in the past. I don't see anyone pointing out the fact that Batista has been cutting the same promo non-stop for three years, and he's the only guy on the roster who gets close to the amount of heat Cena does from the IWC.

I agree with you that the singling out of Cena was probably a bit OTT, but I think there were more relevant points in that article regarding the writing team. Probably the main reason wrestling will never be a true mainstream sport again is that there's a huge public perception that it appeals to the lowest common denominator. Gerwitz and Vince's sense of humour definitely back this up and his "from the trailer" comment in that article sums it up quite well for me.

As for Batista, he's gotten plenty of heat in the past for his work and just because this one guy focussed on Cena's lameness doesn't mean he was letting Batista off the hook.

 

[duffer]

Just finished watching TNA Victory Road. Really enjoyable PPV with a fantastic opening match and some solid mid card matches. The only weird finish was with the Booker T vs Samoa Joe match which finished in strange circumstances.

The opening match of the show was the 12 Man Elimination World X Cup Match. This match is a must see if you're a wrestling fan and it's hot off PPV since it happened today. If you don't think this is awesome, then you can't possibly like wrestling. This is TNA at it's very best.

Enjoy!

TNA Victory Road World X Cup Match Part 1: http://www.dailymotion.com/stylesftw/video/x64b1b_world-cup-x-12-manpart1_sport

TNA Victory Road World X Cup Match Part 2: http://www.dailymotion.com/stylesftw/video/x64b31_world-cup-x-12-manpart2_sport

Quality. Cheers for that.

 

[Athlai]

Wrestling is more like Ballet than sport IMO. Its just a big dance really, this isn't denying that their are great physical requirements and that people can get hurt, but its not a sport.

 

[duffer]

Wrestling is more like Ballet than sport IMO. Its just a big dance really, this isn't denying that their are great physical requirements and that people can get hurt, but its not a sport.

Hence the name sports entertainment.

 

[Jono]

Wrestling is more like Ballet than sport IMO. Its just a big dance really, this isn't denying that their are great physical requirements and that people can get hurt, but its not a sport.

No one older than 8 seriously calls it a sport.

 

[Athlai]

Hence the name sports entertainment.

You called it sports was my reason for posting it.

 

[duffer]

You called it sports was my reason for posting it.

Ah, my mistake. Didn't mean to apply it was a sport.

 

[Athlai]

Ah, my mistake. Didn't mean to apply it was a sport.

Yeah thought it might have just been a slip of the tongue, just wanted to throw out there the idea of wrestling as a dance. But instead of skinny attractive girls, its sweaty big guys.

 

[duffer]

Yeah thought it might have just been a slip of the tongue, just wanted to throw out there the idea of wrestling as a dance. But instead of skinny attractive girls, its sweaty big guys.

Ugh. Now that you mention it, it does sound a bit yuck. OT but my sis reckons most blokes wouldn't last 10 minutes doing ballet. Real tough thing to do apparently

 

[Jono]

Sure duffer, your 'sister' reckons its tough.

 

[Majin]

Just read an article with former WWE creative team member Seth Mates talking about how he'd book the main events for WM25, will quote them here:

Triple H vs. Edge
I'd put the title on Edge at the Great American Bash and then keep it on him til Mania. Let HHH play the role of babyface in the chase. I actually LOVE the storyline of Triple H getting screwed by the wrestler who's dating the boss; substitute "everyone else" where I just said "Triple H" and you've got the story of WWE for the past six years. Triple H vs. Edge is one of the few big-time matches left with any intrigue; if done right at the Bash (total screwjob ending to build heat for Edge), the Mania match could be gigantic.

John Cena vs. Batista
No title on the line here. You don't need one. I'd build this feud by having these two guys be CM Punk's challengers for the titles, and they cost each other those matches. I'd start it at the Bash -- Batista loses somehow, then Cena tries to jump in as the next challenger. Batista's angry, says he still deserves another shot, but Cena gets the shot, say at SummerSlam. Batista costs Cena the match at SSlam. Go to Survivor Series with a Triple Threat, then to the Rumble, which neither guy wins. Maybe they eliminate each other.

Batista's the natural heel -- though I've been advocating for a Cena heel turn for months now. But if they keep these guys apart until Mania, this match has a VERY big-time feel to it.

CM Punk vs. Randy Orton
Yes, I'm advocating keeping the title on Punk for this long. Heel first-time champions can usually have pretty short title reigns (Triple H, Edge) and get over, but babyfaces (Hogan, Warrior, Diesel, Cena, Batista) need some time to make the fans believe in them. Punk has a natural charisma and confidence that will make people rally behind him. Orton, on the other hand, is the most natural heel in the business. I don't know what I'd do with the finish of this match, but if they do move forward with a third-generation faction, Orton as World Champ seems like a natural choice to lead it.

Haha I would love to see Edge/HHH play out like that, it would be fantastic. If they actually did that I think it would be the Main Event I've been most into since Eddie/Lesnar, and I don't even remember the buildup to that, just that I was waiting and loving the match to mark out for him to win. But yeah that storyline with those two guys, that match at WM would be off the scale.

Cena/Batista I can leave, Batista is Batista afterall. However if they did finally, FINALLY turn Cena heel again my interest in it would probably grow significantly.

and Orton/Punk does seem the natural contender for an awesome RAW program, but I don't know if they'll keep the strap on Punk that long. If they did I think you could probably bank on that being a quality match so I'd be down for that.

Why the hell is this guy a former member! bastards.

 

[duffer]

Sure duffer, your 'sister' reckons its tough.

Oi!

 

[duffer]

Just read an article with former WWE creative team member Seth Mates talking about how he'd book the main events for WM25, will quote them here:



Haha I would love to see Edge/HHH play out like that, it would be fantastic. If they actually did that I think it would be the Main Event I've been most into since Eddie/Lesnar, and I don't even remember the buildup to that, just that I was waiting and loving the match to mark out for him to win. But yeah that storyline with those two guys, that match at WM would be off the scale.

Cena/Batista I can leave, Batista is Batista afterall. However if they did finally, FINALLY turn Cena heel again my interest in it would probably grow significantly.

and Orton/Punk does seem the natural contender for an awesome RAW program, but I don't know if they'll keep the strap on Punk that long. If they did I think you could probably bank on that being a quality match so I'd be down for that.

Why the hell is this guy a former member! bastards.

I would perfectly fine with Orton v Punk and Trips v Edge for Mania, but not Batista v Cena.

Vince won't turn either of them heel in the near future and seeing a dull as dishwater Batista and a watered down kiddy joke Cena in a program might make my head explode with anger.

But wow, and Orton v Punk feud could be cool. And very fresh too.

 

[Majin]

yeah that's why I was lamenting this guy not being on creative anymore. Some of those ideas are great but we're more likely to get Trips burying Edge for months making vague statements about his ***uality using hot dog sausages and "Batista more like Boogertista am I right ha ha ha" than anything substantial.

Man I want Cena to go heel more than anything in wrestling. Back to his vicious heel days with his promo's where he freestyled fire at people.

 

[duffer]

Really really good RAW tonight. Loved Cena's promo on JBL. I hope the WWE now get it that if you give him good stuff to work with he's your franchise right there. Another great promo was Rhodes and DiBiase putting themsleves over with Duggan. Really loved how JBL and Cena put these two and Crime Tyme over in the six man tag too.

Punk-Kane was good too and although I don't like count out wins as I don't think they put guys over as well as they are meant to this one wasn't bad.

Overall, liked how they're not abandoning pushing the new guys on the program and slowly but steadily Punk, Kofi R&DB are getting better reactions from the crowd. Apart from Edge, most of the good things happening in WWE are on Raw right now. Bit disappointed they couldn't find one minute of TV time for Rey Rey though.