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***Official*** South Africa in England

Should Freddy be included in team for the second Test?


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Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
You'd have to go some not to prefer Hoggard to MSP at Headingley if you get "typical" Headingley conditions.

100 for Smith. 2nd time in his career he gets a century at Lord's - and in both he had early let-offs.

Robbins must be spitting, wherever he is.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Credit to these two South Africans, it has hardly been exhilarating cricket but they have done what is necessary so far. England in desperate need for a couple of breakthroughs in this final session. Who's going to get them ? New ball due in 4 overs and that obviously represents our best chance of getting our foot in the door.
 
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SpaceMonkey

International Debutant
You'd have to go some not to prefer Hoggard to MSP at Headingley if you get "typical" Headingley conditions.

100 for Smith. 2nd time in his career he gets a century at Lord's - and in both he had early let-offs.

Robbins must be spitting, wherever he is.
I think this will be 6 out of the last 7 Tests to end in a draw at Lords (baring a major collapse by SA tomorrow). Would suggest the groundsmen needs a good talking too. 8-)

If you have 'typical' Headingley conditions then theres no need to bring Hoggard in when you have the likes of Anderson / Sidebottom in the team already. 3 of them would be far too alike for my liking.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Cannot believe some people booed Graeme Smith when he got his hundred. A considerable amount of boos too.

I wouldn't even boo Symonds if he tonned up. Hell even Brad Williams, who I hate the most, wouldn't get booed by me if he ever did something good in his career.
 

pasag

RTDAS
Cannot believe some people booed Graeme Smith when he got his hundred. A considerable amount of boos too.

I wouldn't even boo Symonds if he tonned up. Hell even Brad Williams, who I hate the most, wouldn't get booed by me if he ever did something good in his career.
Yeah, pretty disappointing.

As was that drop.
 

Mr Mxyzptlk

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Hoggard is a much better bowler than Harmison, this is regardless of the wicket or the ground. Hoggard must be preffered over Harmison anywhere.
Nah, if it's a quick & bouncy one, it's Harmison ahead of Hoggard, given that he's in marginally better form atm.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
I think this will be 6 out of the last 7 Tests to end in a draw at Lords (baring a major collapse by SA tomorrow). Would suggest the groundsmen needs a good talking too. 8-)
Nah, mostly it's just been because of lost play. If SA save this this'll be only the 2nd out of those 6 which wouldn't almost certainly have had a result could lost time be made-up.
If you have 'typical' Headingley conditions then theres no need to bring Hoggard in when you have the likes of Anderson / Sidebottom in the team already. 3 of them would be far too alike for my liking.
The more the better, if they're all capable of exploiting it, rather than Broad banging it in too short to be any use and MSP getting zero turn and posing zero threat.

New-ball taken immediately, and damn right too. How's Sidebottom, however, we wait to see.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Big chance for Ambrose, should have snaffled it. If he didn't get a glove on it would have gone straight to Colly at slip.
 

Scaly piscine

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Hoggard is a much better bowler than Harmison, this is regardless of the wicket or the ground. Hoggard must be preffered over Harmison anywhere.
Wrong. Their Test averages are virtually the same, plus Hoggard hardly bowls when it's not doing much whereas Harmison bowls plenty in all conditions.

See Yorkshire's current FC match for example.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Wrong. Their Test averages are virtually the same, plus Hoggard hardly bowls when it's not doing much whereas Harmison bowls plenty in all conditions.
And does (or did, hopefully) crap in all conditions, and only gets wickets against piss-poor batting.
 

Woodster

International Captain
Finally, England get their first wicket!!!
Rather loose shot from Smith who has batted with patience and decent shot selection throughout the day despite his suspect technique. A pull from outside off with a ball only an over old, not particularly clever Graeme but we'll definitely take it!
 

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