ICC agrees to change Oval forfeiture to a draw

[Richard]

I think other countries should go through the history books and find other matches that deserve having their results changed!

What about Adelaide Bodyline test! Declare it a void match and thereby give the Don an average of over a 100.

Or the Kiwi's having the underarm bowling game overturned!

I'm sure every country could find some result they think deserves overturning.

The Umpire was in the wrong, he made a mistake, it shouldn't have happened. But once you start changing results post series yet alone after the match, where do you stop.

As I mentioned in reply to a post that was to an extent in jest - not in the least analogous. Most bad Umpiring decisons aren't the last thing that happen in the match, nor do they abruptly end the match instantly giving a certain result.

Refusing to play canot be tolerated, and should always be punished (especially when no matter what you thought of him the umpire, he did act within the laws of cricket. Well maybe too much within the exact requirements but still he did follow them)

If your going to make a moral stand then have the b@lls to live with the consequences. It makes you moral cases far stronger IMHO.

Indeed so, several Pakistanis having already commented on this.

Pakistans action are a bit like Ghandhi deciding after a beating to have the guy who hit him shot. Greatly diminishes the moral force of the action.

 

[silentstriker]

Ghandhi deciding after a beating to have the guy who hit him shot. Greatly diminishes the moral force of the action.

I've always wondered why non-South Indians misspell it 'Ghandhi' instead of 'Gandhi'.

 

[Prince EWS]

I was being facetious, just in case anyone missed that

Meh, whatever anyhow. SS needs to update those CW rankings though.

Way ahead of you.

Was hoping we at CW would refuse to acknowledge the change in result TBH.

 

[archie mac]

Crap decision

I can see it now a team lets say Aust. (before Dasa gets upset ) are 9 down in the 2nd innings needing 200 to win with all of day 5 to go.

One of the English players says something bad about the Aussie crowd (convicts); what if the Aussies walk off and demand a draw keeping the Ashes 2-2?

 

[Burgey]

Think it's a bad decision. Can't see how retrospectively changing a result is good for anyone.

Off topic, and taking this discussion about retropsectively changing results to a more general level, does anyone know if the ICC have a policy re the results of matches if players subsequently test positive to drugs?

Say, for example, Warne had played in the 2003 WC, Australia won it, and his test results came back positive after the tourney. What would have happened if:

1. he'd starred.
2. he'd played 2 or 3 games, done okay then got injured.
3. he'd been very average but played all the games.

Should the WC be taken off his team? And if so, would opinon change depending on whether 1, 2 or 3 had been the case?

 

[Prince EWS]

Think it's a bad decision. Can't see how retrospectively changing a result is good for anyone.

Off topic, and taking this discussion about retropsectively changing results to a more general level, does anyone know if the ICC have a policy re the results of matches if players subsequently test positive to drugs?

Say, for example, Warne had played in the 2003 WC, Australia won it, and his test results came back positive after the tourney. What would have happened if:

1. he'd starred.
2. he'd played 2 or 3 games, done okay then got injured.
3. he'd been very average but played all the games.

Should the WC be taken off his team? And if so, would opinon change depending on whether 1, 2 or 3 had been the case?

I don't think you can penalise an entire team like that unless his drug-taking was sanctioned by Cricket Australia. Warne alone was in the wrong so Warne alone should be punished.

This applies regardless of how he performed BTW.

 

[archie mac]

Think it's a bad decision. Can't see how retrospectively changing a result is good for anyone.

Off topic, and taking this discussion about retropsectively changing results to a more general level, does anyone know if the ICC have a policy re the results of matches if players subsequently test positive to drugs?

Say, for example, Warne had played in the 2003 WC, Australia won it, and his test results came back positive after the tourney. What would have happened if:

1. he'd starred.
2. he'd played 2 or 3 games, done okay then got injured.
3. he'd been very average but played all the games.

Should the WC be taken off his team? And if so, would opinon change depending on whether 1, 2 or 3 had been the case?

Good question, I am not sure anything should happen to anyone bar the player found guilty, match fixing would be a different question

 

[duffer]

Ridiculous decision, utterly ridiculous.

Tempting to suggest it's yet another example of how Asian teams are becoming far, far too powerful in today's game. Seems like India are gonna veto the plan to expel Zimbabwe, and now Pakistan can refuse to play in any match they're losing and get away with a draw. Why the hell should their input matter any more than anyone else's? The whole point of the ICC is to ensure that all nations get a fair say in the way the game is run. That is quite clearly not happening at the moment. The fact that India and Pakistan have huge economic power over the game should mean nothing when the rules of the game are in question.

This type of argument really ****s me big time. Cricket's never been a true democracy and probably never will be, that's how the world is. People have and always will do things that are weighted in their own interests.

The Western boards were doing it before and now India is doing it, I fail to see how one group of people doing it was alright and the game was seen as being in good hands; while the other group is doing htier own thing is dangerous and ruining cricket. And this whole thing has nothing to do with Pakistan, they literally have nothing to do with how cricket is run.

EDIT: Dire flip-flpp from the ICC though.

 

[duffer]

The sky is falling in! The Asians are taking over the world! Some ****ing ridiculous comments here. In case people didn't realise, the ECB supported this decision as well, where are the comments denouncing their influence on the game? Any excuse to have a go at the 'Asian bloc' will do, I suppose.

This.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I admired Pakistan for taking a stand even at the cost of losing the match. Principles over anything else etc. Now though. Meh. A waste of time and money which i'm sure the ICC could have put to better use.

 

[itduzz]

PCB/Inzi & Pak had the last laugh.....

 

[Top_Cat]

Not such a bad thing IMO. Reveals true feelings of posters who enjoy the 'us' vs. 'them' nature of multicultural sport.

I don't think so. None of what I've read in this thread is in any way a surprise. Not so much as views 'revealed' as 'reiterated'.

I can understand why the PCB would have wanted to change this decision to save face and certainly, I can see why the ECB wouldn't have been bothered making a principled stand because it doesn't change the series outcome at all. But it sets a dangerous precedent and has nothing to do with whether it's an asian team, in my view. Any team, now that they can, will consider this as a course of action and would bt foolish if it wasn't at least discussed. I'm sure, for example, that the Aussie cricketers in Pakistan in the infamous 1988 series when they considered going home, might have more strongly pushed their position were an automatic series loss no longer on the table.

One gets the feeling this decision was made as a touchy-feely for relations between respective boards than for any practical reason and that's why it's total crap, in my opinion.

 

[silentstriker]

Was hoping we at CW would refuse to acknowledge the change in result TBH.

I can't go around subjectively deciding when a victory is valid in my personal opinion. I have to follow the official ruling, whether I like it or not.

Cause maybe I'd remove the Sydney game.

 

[Fusion]

Was hoping we at CW would refuse to acknowledge the change in result TBH.

I can't go around subjectively deciding when a victory is valid in my personal opinion. I have to follow the official ruling, whether I like it or not.

Cause maybe I'd remove the Sydney game.

I do like the irony of someone protesting that an official ruling was overturned, but is now suggesting that we ignore another official ruling.

 

[Prince EWS]

I do like the irony of someone protesting that an official ruling was overturned, but is now suggesting that we ignore another official ruling.

My post was clearly in jest.

 

[Fusion]

My post was clearly in jest.

Ah, well than I missed that. My apologies.

 

[Prince EWS]

Ah, well than I missed that. My apologies.

Yeah no problems; probably should have put a smiley in there.

 

[Prince EWS]

Cause maybe I'd remove the Sydney game.

CW to strip the game of Test status and Stats spider to reveal Symonds's new average.

 

[honestbharani]

Ridiculous decision, utterly ridiculous.

Tempting to suggest it's yet another example of how Asian teams are becoming far, far too powerful in today's game. Seems like India are gonna veto the plan to expel Zimbabwe, and now Pakistan can refuse to play in any match they're losing and get away with a draw. Why the hell should their input matter any more than anyone else's? The whole point of the ICC is to ensure that all nations get a fair say in the way the game is run. That is quite clearly not happening at the moment. The fact that India and Pakistan have huge economic power over the game should mean nothing when the rules of the game are in question.

how exactly were pakistan losing that game, though????????

 

[honestbharani]

That's racism though, well, maybe not in it's true dictionary definition form, but 'manifested itself worst with pakistan and sri lanka' is basically implying that the guy has something against Asians/Black people/Foreign people.

Which is kind of my point.

Indians never had a problem with him and I think we are the same as Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

He is not racist... But he did seem to have genuine problems officiating in games involving Pak and Lanka, for reasons best known to the parties alone.