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Stuart Clark - ODIs

luffy

luffy

International Captain
It's good to see some people say this. Everyone is saying how unlucky he is, but honestly his form in ODI's have not been good, almost poor. While he was one of out best bowlers in the Ashes, he hasn't shown form in ODI's, and shouldn't get a game based on his Test form.
 
pup11

pup11

International Coach
I am really worried about the aussie bowling prospects now as Stuey clark has raised his hand to bowl for australia in the power-plays and at the death(both of which are aussie areas of concern) at the WC. We all have seen how bad he is at the death, even in the power-plays he hasn't been any better, though i hope he has some tricks up his sleeve this time around(but i seriously doubt it).
 
pup11

pup11

International Coach
Yeah, mate but he came very close to breaking lewis's record in KL during the DLF cup match against West indies where he gave away, 7-0-87-0 so you see if he would have bowled his full quota of overs he would have had broken lewis's record. Even in the 434 run-chase he had pretty similar figures but again there also he just bowled 7 overs.
 
thierry henry

thierry henry

International Coach
Richard said:
:blink: Franklin is seriously that quick? I've only ever seen him around the 130-131kph mark.

And is he really as tall as Clark? Clark always seems pretty giant to me, if not quite Garner giant.
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yes. Both CB series and CH series he was above 135 pretty regularly (NZ and Aus radars). Last season against the Windies Franklin peaked at 144kph :-O

Clark is listed at 1.97 metres or a touch under 6'6'', Franklin is probably 6'5'' or a shade under. I've also seen Gilchrist standing up to McGrath, who is also a similar height, when McGrath was bowling around 135. Even Bracken (also a similar height) has been pushing 140kph lately and the 'keepers have been up. Daryl Tuffey is also 6'5''......need I go on?
 
thierry henry

thierry henry

International Coach
vic_orthdox said:
Despite pace readings, guys who bowl a heavier ball and extract bounce will be forever harder to keep up to than guys like Bracken and Franklin whom aim to bowl slightly fuller and look to swing the ball. The ball will come through at a much more comfortable height off them for the keeper up to the stumps than for a McGrath/Clark type.
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Franklin bowls back of a length often and hasn't swung one all season. I think he is a different type of bowler atm, at least in one-dayers. When he's bowling reasonably well it's 135kph+ and back of a length. McGrath is an into the wicket bowler as well. I honestly reckon keepers could stand up to Clark.
 
thierry henry

thierry henry

International Coach
Fiery said:
I don't know how old he is, just guessing he's between 17 and 21. Maybe you can confirm that thierry henry? The opinion of ex-players such as Martin Crowe and scribes such as Richard Boock (and, it seems, myself) are generally disputed by people in this age-bracket. It's an age when young guys have that over-inflated opinion of their own wisdom and seem to think an extra 20 or so years of experience of watching and following the game, and of life experience, count for nothing. I've never been a great fan of Martin Crowe, the person or commentator btw (loved him as a player mind you) but his opinions are certainly as valid as the next guys. I'm 36 btw Richard.
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yep, 21. But almost 22! And yep, I'm much smarter than you, and I still will be when I'm 36 *pumps fist in celebration*
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
thierry henry said:
yes. Both CB series and CH series he was above 135 pretty regularly (NZ and Aus radars). Last season against the Windies Franklin peaked at 144kph :-O

Clark is listed at 1.97 metres or a touch under 6'6'', Franklin is probably 6'5'' or a shade under. I've also seen Gilchrist standing up to McGrath, who is also a similar height, when McGrath was bowling around 135. Even Bracken (also a similar height) has been pushing 140kph lately and the 'keepers have been up. Daryl Tuffey is also 6'5''......need I go on?
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Woah, woah... overload!!!

For one thing, I don't think Gilchrist has ever stood-up to McGrath in a normal capacity. I saw him try it once (and to Gillespie in the same game) and look wholly uncomfortable (saw Alec Stewart do the same with Mullally once). I'm amazed Franklin's that tall, though - he's always looked decidedly middling in height to me.

I've only ever seen Gilchrist stand-up to Bracken when he's bowling his cutters, though. Never when he's bowling full-pace (which is 140k+).

:-O:-O:-O at Franklin's speeds, though, yeah!
 
pasag

pasag

RTDAS
Bump.

Though I very strongly agreed with this at the time I think he should have a more permanent place in the ODI side now. Wondering whether the thread starter and others who thought the same have changed their mind in the past year and a bit.

He seems like a much improved shorter form bowler in recent times and whilst there may have been no place with McGrath in the side for two similar bowlers, there certainly is now especially with Johnson's form looking increasingly dubious and may not be just limited to Tests.
 
L

Laurrz

International Debutant
pasag said:
Bump.

Though I very strongly agreed with this at the time I think he should have a more permanent place in the ODI side now. Wondering whether the thread starter and others who thought the same have changed their mind in the past year and a bit.

He seems like a much improved shorter form bowler in recent times and whilst there may have been no place with McGrath in the side for two similar bowlers, there certainly is now especially with Johnson's form looking increasingly dubious and may not be just limited to Tests.
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AWTA

i too questioned if he was an effective ODI bowler
but IMO ever since the T20 world cup where he was one of the better bowlers.. he has coped with batsmen trying to attack him (although he hasnt played that much ODI's actually recently.. but for the ones he's played he hasn't got smashed)

Don't think Midge should be dropped just yet, maybe rotated? as he's played every game so far..
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
pasag said:
Bump.

Though I very strongly agreed with this at the time I think he should have a more permanent place in the ODI side now. Wondering whether the thread starter and others who thought the same have changed their mind in the past year and a bit.

He seems like a much improved shorter form bowler in recent times and whilst there may have been no place with McGrath in the side for two similar bowlers, there certainly is now especially with Johnson's form looking increasingly dubious and may not be just limited to Tests.
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Clark's certainly got far more of a case for selection now than he did at the time this thread was started, but I remain to be convinced he's got better. Heck, he's not really even played all that much since then.

Please note again - I'm not saying he hasn't, simply that I'm not currently satisfied he has.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
pasag said:
Bump.

Though I very strongly agreed with this at the time I think he should have a more permanent place in the ODI side now. Wondering whether the thread starter and others who thought the same have changed their mind in the past year and a bit.

He seems like a much improved shorter form bowler in recent times and whilst there may have been no place with McGrath in the side for two similar bowlers, there certainly is now especially with Johnson's form looking increasingly dubious and may not be just limited to Tests.
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Yeah, I've changed my mind. Not that I was never trying to suggest he was totally awful and had no future - merely that he didn't have the compelling case that many in the media were suggesting and that he was rightfully left out of the WC squad.

But yeah, not only have his figures in ODIs started to improve since I created the thread, but he has shown lots of qualities and variations in his bowling (some of which in Tests, admittedly) that he didn't have (or possibly just wasn't confident enough in using) earlier. He can accurately bowl the fuller straighter one to stop the batsman lining him up outside off and he's even developed a pretty effective slower ball - that's just a start. He's a more rounded bowler than he was earlier in his career.

He certainly has a compelling case now and I'd have him in the side ahead of White or possibly Hopes.
 
Prince EWS

Prince EWS

Global Moderator
Richard said:
White surely is being picked overwhelmingly for batting?
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Oh indeed, but that doesn't mean I can't think a bowler would add more to the side in his place. Currently the bottom seven reads:

7. White
8. Hopes
9. Lee
10. Johnson
11. Bracken

The tail does not need to be that strong at the expense of a genuine fourth bowling option. Hopes at 7, Lee at 8 and Johnson at 9 is perfectly acceptable - if fact I'd still say it was strong.
 
sideshowtim

sideshowtim

Banned
Johnson has a couple of ODIs to prove his worth, and if he doesn't pick up a few wickets soon he should be kicked out for Fraz.
 
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