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[PhoenixFire]

Still don't see the big fuss over the run out.

Elliot got in the way of Sidebottom, fell over. How is it different to if Elliot fell over of his own accord? Any injury he may of or may not have got is irrelevant because it didn't effect him getting run out.

Batsmen aren't allowed to obstruct catches by running into fielders, so how are run outs any different?

Just tough luck as far as I'm concerned.

Nah Elliot was the one obstructed IMO, he was just running in a straight line and Sidebottom smashed into him.

 

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Jamie Alter
Shah started with a cross-batted six over midwicket off Southee, and played a more six over exta cover off Vettori

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Interesting that if England had actually batted out the full fifty overs, they would have most likely won. Its that age old cliche about making sure you use all the overs.

And as for that run out, yes, poor form. Given McCullum's history of dubious run outs though, I'm not gonna complain. I'm not too sure the hatchet would have been buried quite so nicely if New Zealand had lost the game by one run though!

 

[Prince EWS]

Quality piece of immitating the enhanced quote function, it must be said.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

The standard of cricinfo's obviously falling to the standard of the BBC County Cricket correspondants who can neither spel, form a sentense or mke 1 parragraff wivout eror.,

 

[Richard]

Quality piece of immitating the enhanced quote function, it must be said.

I presume you mean "immitating (sic)" there. Aye, always annoys me when people post quotes without showing where they're from TBH. And it finally occurred to me to do what I just did in order to show the location of something I was quoting from that wasn't a CW post.

 

[Richard]

Interesting that if England had actually batted out the full fifty overs, they would have most likely won. Its that age old cliche about making sure you use all the overs.

While that's true, it's also true that had Bell made better use of the second free-hit from Gillespie we'd likely have won. Similarly that if the play-and-miss from Shah in the 25th over (figure off the top of my head, might be true or untrue but there was certainly some stuff like that around that time) had instead been an edged four the same is true.

In games as close as that, you can look at every single delivery and say it happening differently could have influenced the outcome.

 

[Richard]

And as for that run out, yes, poor form. Given McCullum's history of dubious run outs though, I'm not gonna complain. I'm not too sure the hatchet would have been buried quite so nicely if New Zealand had lost the game by one run though!

Nope. Think everyone involved in cricket can be very, very grateful that that shy from Swann missed. Because if it'd hit and hence we'd won, I reckon the ramifications might've been very ugly indeed.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Nope. Think everyone involved in cricket can be very, very grateful that that shy from Swann missed. Because if it'd hit and hence we'd won, I reckon the ramifications might've been very ugly indeed.

I'm just glad we don't need to wear it like an albatross around our necks for the next 20 years like we have with the Underarm ball. Bad form, I know, but these things get dragged along with a team for too long sometimes.

 

[Richard]

Aye, hence Scott's post about "another thing for the Kiwis to whinge about for the next 30 years".

Daftest thing of all of course is that the Chappells' underarm usage had little to do with wanting to win that game, nor was it a remotely neccessary precaution to use.

 

[zaremba]

I can't actually see any distinction between today's incident and the dismissal of KP in the World 20-20 game against South Africa. He collided with the bowler (Shaun Pollock) and as a direct result was run out. South Africa appealed and he was given out. Not much remorse about the appeal from Graeme Smith or his men as I recall.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I can't actually see any distinction between today's incident and the dismissal of KP in the World 20-20 game against South Africa. He collided with the bowler (Shaun Pollock) and as a direct result was run out. South Africa appealed and he was given out. Not much remorse about the appeal from Graeme Smith or his men as I recall.

Well...

But no, poor form from Colly for my money, even if he did belatedly have an attack of the guilts. The umpires gave him an out when they asked him if he still wanted to appeal, so I got the impression they would really rather have not given him out.

Think Elliot went to ground rather easily tho, for all that. Looked as if he almost took another stride after the collision before going hitting the deck. I may've just been watching too much football of late tho.

 

[zaremba]

Yep I can't help thinking he milked the injury a little bit. And I reckon he'd have been run out if the collision hadn't happened.

As you say, though, pretty poor going from Collingwood. Not quite up there with NZ's run out of Murali when he was congratulating Sangakkara on his century, but still poor going.

 

[archie mac]

Just watched in on the news, poor form from England, but as Collingwood was contrite, I think it should be left at that


What would Wally Grout have thought?

 

[Leslie1]

Highlights package = must-see.

Who said ODI is on its way out...

 

[armchairumpire]

Right result in the end. Not much more to say really except....

Would Ricky Ponting have done 'a Colly' given similar circumstances?

 

[James_W]

England 1-2 Justice

 

[archie mac]

Right result in the end. Not much more to say really except....

Would Ricky Ponting have done 'a Colly' given similar circumstances?

He may well have, but that would not make it right!

 

[Jono]

Still don't see the big fuss over the run out.

Elliot got in the way of Sidebottom, fell over. How is it different to if Elliot fell over of his own accord? Any injury he may of or may not have got is irrelevant because it didn't effect him getting run out.

Batsmen aren't allowed to obstruct catches by running into fielders, so how are run outs any different?

Just tough luck as far as I'm concerned.

It'd be different if that was Mohammad Asif knocking-over Collingwood and Shoaib Malik upholding the appeal, and everyone knows it. Especially if it resulted in England losing the game.

That's so true, he'd be throwing out the usual diatribe about Pakistani cheats.

Scaly, you're so predictable its pitiful.

 

[Days of Grace]

You would absolutely hate to be a captain and have this situation come up in a world cup semi-final/final or in a 20/20 match with a million-dollar purse.

It doesn't matter what decision you make: it would haunt you for the rest of your life.