*Official* Season XIV Contract Thread

[chaminda_00]

The central contracts have to run one of two ways. Teams have to be heavily penalised for having these players but only if they play a lot of domestic cricket, as these teams are having players who are considered the best by the CWBCC and are therefore advantaged.

The other case is that teams are not heavily penalised for having centrally contracted players, but they don't play a lot for their clubs as they are on international duty and not servicing their clubs, and therefore the clubs don't get the benefit.

So, basically if the CWBCC want to heavily penalise clubs as far as contracts go, then the clubs need to be able to select these players for the majority of the season.

Not sure, what the plans are for the next domestic and international schedule, but these things need to be taken into account.

Considering the fact that in the last couple seasons there has been a max of basically one Test series and one ODI series. Then I doubt there will be an increase in the international schedule as clubs complain about missing players.

Mind you I still think there should be international windows for Test Matches and ODIs during the season. Where players don't miss club matches and there still a decent number of Internationals. Best of both world really.

Also something needs to be added where players can extend their contracts. Every season more and more players are coming off contract. So really guys that just want to stay at one club, should be able to extend their contracts during the season or atleast during this period.

 

[NZTailender]

The Colts would like to offer R Dunn a 2 year contract.

 

[pinchy81]

The Colts would like to offer R Dunn a 2 year contract.

Would like to accept

 

[superkingdave]

Considering the fact that in the last couple seasons there has been a max of basically one Test series and one ODI series. Then I doubt there will be an increase in the international schedule as clubs complain about missing players.

Mind you I still think there should be international windows for Test Matches and ODIs during the season. Where players don't miss club matches and there still a decent number of Internationals. Best of both world really.

Also something needs to be added where players can extend their contracts. Every season more and more players are coming off contract. So really guys that just want to stay at one club, should be able to extend their contracts during the season or atleast during this period.

I suppose the counter argument to a window is that it means fringe and new players will get less and less chance to get an opportunity in the side as currently happens with the players on international duty..probably even more important at the moment given the current inactivity of grade cricket.

Vis a vis the extending the contracts the reason against extending during the season is that performance in the season affects contract value ie if a player players all the games he might move up a ranking. The current exclusivity period should work fine imo

 

[chaminda_00]

I suppose the counter argument to a window is that it means fringe and new players will get less and less chance to get an opportunity in the side as currently happens with the players on international duty..probably even more important at the moment given the current inactivity of grade cricket.

Vis a vis the extending the contracts the reason against extending during the season is that performance in the season affects contract value ie if a player players all the games he might move up a ranking. The current exclusivity period should work fine imo

The thing is though in the last two seasons there have been low number of Test and ODIs played during the season. So fringe players have hadn't had many chances to get a game due to Internationals being away anyway. So unless there is any increase in the number of matches played during the season, then these players wont get many matches as it is.

Grade Cricket does need to come back and hopefully whover runs it uses VC4, as it quite easy to use and you can play all three forms.

The extension could just be during this period and a period at the end of the season. You really need to be able to work out who you can keep and can't keep prior to just this period. Makes it a bit hard to forward plan if you only have one period, especially if some captains might be a away for short period like Mitchell now.

 

[NZTailender]

I think he grading of some players need to be reviewed. I think an 'A' rating should be reserved for dual internationals (i.e. Test and ODI regulars), 'B' for one-form internationals and senior FC/List A players (captains, former & fringe internationals), and so forth.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Stedman surely can't be rated an A.

Ratings are based on games played, over both forms, for the last 3 seasons right? Now I realise he's played every List-A fixture he's been available for in those 3 seasons, and rightly so.

But, as with many players in CWLand, he's a single form player. Now his form is turning around, no question, but he's yet to prove it with solid gametime. In the last 3 seasons with Black he's played 10 FC games of a possible (I think) 52. How can that be legit? Surely he should be downgraded to a B or even a C. Borcich is a C and has had similar gametime in his non-chosen form.

 

[James90]

Awta. If this was based on a salary cap type thing rather than ability I'd take a pay cut. Want to stay with Black ffs.

 

[chaminda_00]

I think he grading of some players need to be reviewed. I think an 'A' rating should be reserved for dual internationals (i.e. Test and ODI regulars), 'B' for one-form internationals and senior FC/List A players (captains, former & fringe internationals), and so forth.

Problem with that is well every second player will be rated C or D. Mind you I think contracted players should be given an extra point regardless of their domestic rating. The big issue with keeping players is not their rating it is the five extra points for having extra contract players, not their overall ratings. Having to pay 15 extra points for contracted players is what is killing Black here, not the players' actually rating.

 

[roseboy64]

Confirmed.

Rose talk Manjunath Reddlapalli IMO. He would give us a really good all rounder option in ODs, or atleast another 5th bowlering option with Halsey gone. Also another good FC bat. In short his gun and would be perfect for Green IMO

Also if Black re sign Borcich and Stedman and don't release anyone. Then Blake Donald would be a free agent. I know Mitchell was interested in him and Nayak as well. Should have a chat to them both.

Was talking to him earlier. We'll see.

 

[SirBloody Idiot]

Despite being a Green, I think its disappointing to see a good team lose their players just because they are good.

 

[roseboy64]

Contract?

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Also something needs to be added where players can extend their contracts. Every season more and more players are coming off contract. So really guys that just want to stay at one club, should be able to extend their contracts during the season or atleast during this period.

This is already in place. The player will then be signed at the new value based on how much cricket he played last season.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

In the last 3 seasons with Black he's played 10 FC games of a possible (I think) 52

...of which seven came in the past season. Borcich had two in his non-chosen form. Recent seasons weigh in more and international caps also count.

You have six players who are regularly playing international cricket, plus a seventh fringe player. Most other squads have three - Blue had six but are losing their sixth. That imbalance makes the game less fun for the rest of us. Also, you're allowed to release players by mutual consent, so you do have a choice in which players to cut - surely if they are such great mates with you they'll agree to leave Black at no extra cost to the team.

One thing I'll agree on. We should have either longer central contracts or a rule where a player on central contract can only be signed to a team short-term. Having this change every season is no doubt frustrating as all hell.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

I think he grading of some players need to be reviewed. I think an 'A' rating should be reserved for dual internationals (i.e. Test and ODI regulars), 'B' for one-form internationals and senior FC/List A players (captains, former & fringe internationals), and so forth.

Not necessarily. A player can have a high value to his team without being an international player (ex. Garven, Wright). The central contracts is there to regulate the amount of internationals in a team, that's not the job of the point system itself.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

That's still 7 out of a possible 20, and he probably would've played 0 if I wasn't injured. A rankings a bit light when you only have to played a third of the games in one form to get one. He hasn't played that many internationals either.

One thing I'll agree on. We should have either longer central contracts or a rule where a player on central contract can only be signed to a team short-term. Having this change every season is no doubt frustrating as all hell.

A touch.

That imbalance makes the game less fun for the rest of us.

I've talked to a fair chunk of people and most of them have been on my side.

 

[NZTailender]

Not necessarily. A player can have a high value to his team without being an international player (ex. Garven, Wright). The central contracts is there to regulate the amount of internationals in a team, that's not the job of the point system itself.

NSW would be stuffed if this system were in place in Australia.

 

[NZTailender]

That imbalance makes the game less fun for the rest of us.

Why don't we just adjust everyones stats so all the batsman average exactly fifty and the bowlers exactly 25?

Also, enjoyment factor usually comes from team atmosphere. Black shouldn't be penalised if people want to play for them, because they IMO have the best team atmosphere in the forum. Other teams should be making an environment where people want to play for them just as much as Black.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

NSW would be stuffed if this system were in place in Australia.

Well, they get stuffed for three quarters of the season anyway. The internationals play a somewhat bigger role in CWLand domestic cricket.

 

[NZTailender]

Well, they get stuffed for three quarters of the season anyway. The internationals play a somewhat bigger role in CWLand domestic cricket.

Depending on the schedule. There weren't as many internationals unavailable for selection in season 13 compared to earlier seasons IIRC.

There are times that Australia play a home series and in between games, internationals could theoretically go home and play for their home side, but they don't because they don't want to risk injury etc. Perhaps when a series starts in CWLand the internationals should be out for every game during the time the seriesare played.

At the moment, an international can play a test thats simmed one day, an FC thats simmed the next, then test thats simmed the day after, or whenever.

That is, if you want to talk about realism which we've been trying to achieve with this league. I can't think of too many domestic leagues that restricts us like this contract system does.