**Official** New Zealand in England

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Kevin (Y)

Need a big chase here lads.

 

[Richard]

Well that sounds like it was an insane innings from Shah, death-bowling was presumably execrable as I was expecting it to be. Four no-balls from Southee and two from Mills, very poor indeed. Disappointing with the bat so far from NZ but with James Marshall in the side I suppose it's not terribly surprising. Seriously, Peter Fulton might do no better but at least with him you know there's a chance he might have if he doesn't.

Gotta love DoG going OTT though - Marshall isn't the only thing that's cost NZ the game. The shocking death-bowling is equally responsible.

 

[Richard]

Out to Luke Wright, what an awful piece of batting. That removes whatever doubt there was remaining (which on my part was zero).

Shocking performance from the team who should be capable of being the better one.

 

[Richard]

200 required from 138.

 

[Richard]

Styris goooooonnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeee too. Swann gets his first.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Wright's one of those bowlers who makes me mistrust speed guns a bit. He's consistently up over 85mph through the air, but (presumably) because of his relative lack of stature just doesn't get the bounce or carry of guys like Broad or Sid who're slower on the gun on average.

Doing a decent job for us here tho, even if his batting was gash.

 

[Richard]

Wright's one of those bowlers who makes me mistrust speed guns a bit. He's consistently up over 85mph through the air, but (presumably) because of his relative lack of stature just doesn't get the bounce or carry of guys like Broad or Sid who're slower on the gun on average.

No reason to distrust the gun, it shows what it shows. Speed out of the hand is speed out of the hand. Bounce and amount of speed lost off the wicket are different things, and as of yet there's nothing that displays them on a ball-by-ball basis.

Broad's been very quick so far today though, 87-88mph, and apparently even a delivery up at 92mph, though that might have been an anomalous reading.

 

[stumpski]

Required rate slips over 10.

 

[stumpski]

Gone very quiet on here all of a sudden; England won by 114 runs with Collingwood astutely bringing himself on to scythe through the tail.

KP Man of the Match, but is it necessary for TMS to go off air before the presentations?

 

[GIMH]

TMS can't do the presentations can they? As it is a Sky presentation?

 

[stumpski]

I didn't know that, they've certainly broadcast them in the past. Don't think there was ever a problem with Channel 4 at any rate.

 

[GIMH]

Oh I don't know then, odd, especially seems as the game finished early

 

[Richard]

Meh, I switched over soon as the game was finished TBH, watching WI vs Aus now as Aus shell catch after catch.

 

[Flem274*]

Quite timely we get a filler before the 1st ODI. Thanks for the riveting discussion.


If Hopkins does well, are we maybe looking at McCullum throwing away the glove work for ODIs? A world class all rounder for a wicket keeper batsman. Good call.

Jesse.

Franklin.

The old fool on radiosport today basically extended his ignorance towards cricket by claiming that it's a minority sport in NZ.

Who said that?

Anyway, I'm on instant game delete from memory mode. That was awful.

 

[S.P. Fleming]

supporting this batting line-up is so frustrating, cant someone stand-up.

 

[slugger]

marshall

 

[Flem274*]

Gotta keep the faith. Remember Africa 2000? Remember Australia after that?Many of these lads have serious ability, they just need to polish off their game and learn the art of consistency. Also, as Prince said in a tremendous post in the NZ future thread, we've lost so many first teamers plus the guys who were supposed to take over from them (Sinclair, McMillan, Marshall etc) that a quick fix issimply not possible, heck I think any team would struggle if they had as many player departures as we've had, we're lucky that (ironically) we have enough depth to cover for these losses, even if they're about 12 years old.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

These players are going to take a while to develop into international standard, if they ever do. Domestic cricket in New Zealand simply is not strong enough to churn out Test players with any regularity, especially with such a limited number of players. Several of them are so far short of international standard that there's likely to be a lot more pain before New Zealand is a decent Test team again. Beating West Indies at home later this year would be helpful though.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

These players are going to take a while to develop into international standard, if they ever do. Domestic cricket in New Zealand simply is not strong enough to churn out Test players with any regularity, especially with such a limited number of players. Several of them are so far short of international standard that there's likely to be a lot more pain before New Zealand is a decent Test team again. Beating West Indies at home later this year would be helpful though.

Duh.

 

[Flem274*]

These players are going to take a while to develop into international standard, if they ever do. Domestic cricket in New Zealand simply is not strong enough to churn out Test players with any regularity, especially with such a limited number of players. Several of them are so far short of international standard that there's likely to be a lot more pain before New Zealand is a decent Test team again. Beating West Indies at home later this year would be helpful though.

That may have been true pre-1980 but it is not now. Since 1980, even if we havent been brilliant we've still been competitive and in the one day game we have a fairly good history.

I'd say all the current batsmen bar Marshall and Hopkins are test class (haven't seen enough of Redmond yet). They may not be brilliant but can they compete? The answer is yes.