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New Cricket Trivia - 'SJS format'

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Q18. Did WG Grace play in the match in question?.....NO

Hint No. 3 : The match was played before the first ever Test match was.
 

bagapath

International Captain
was it an occasion where united states played against england and set some sort of record which is unlikely to be broken because united states may not field a first class team ever again?

if no, substitute canada for US for the same question..
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Q19. was it an occasion where united states played against england and set some sort of record which is unlikely to be broken because united states may not field a first class team ever again?....NO

Q20. if no, substitute canada for US for the same question......NO

I am afraid we have run out of the limit for asking questions, before I give the answer would someone like to make a final attempt based on a new hint.

Its a match between an England side and a county side

Add to that what is known
- It was a first class match played in England
- It is a partnership record between batsmen batting at numbers eight or lower.
- The county side had more than 11 players
- The match was played before 1877
- There is no way this record can ever be broken again.​
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Okay I will provide the answer.

It is the record 55 run partnership between William Hopkinson(40) and Lambert Denne(35) for Kent against an England XI in this match in July 1861.

It was the highest partnership for the 11th wicket against an 'England' side in a first class game. Its not likely to be repeated since the laws dont allow more than 11 players in first class games now. Kent had fifteen.

The 40 and 35 runs that these two scored in this innings is their respective highest ever first class score.

PS The score card does not tell you who was in partnership with who but by just looking at the fall of wickets and individual scores of those that went before them, its easy to see that the partnership was between these two.
 

archie mac

International Coach
Okay I will provide the answer.

It is the record 55 run partnership between William Hopkinson(40) and Lambert Denne(35) for Kent against an England XI in this match in July 1861.

It was the highest partnership for the 11th wicket against an 'England' side in a first class game. Its not likely to be repeated since the laws dont allow more than 11 players in first class games now. Kent had fifteen.

The 40 and 35 runs that these two scored in this innings is their respective highest ever first class score.

PS The score card does not tell you who was in partnership with who but by just looking at the fall of wickets and individual scores of those that went before them, its easy to see that the partnership was between these two.
:-O I was just about to guess the 11th wicket thing:@
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
:-O I was just about to guess the 11th wicket thing:@
Because of that we will let you ask the next question :)

By the way, you have just recently joined the 1000 post club on this thread. With Jason not around anymore, it was getting a bit lonely for me there :)
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
Okay I will provide the answer.

It is the record 55 run partnership between William Hopkinson(40) and Lambert Denne(35) for Kent against an England XI in this match in July 1861.

It was the highest partnership for the 11th wicket against an 'England' side in a first class game. Its not likely to be repeated since the laws dont allow more than 11 players in first class games now. Kent had fifteen.

The 40 and 35 runs that these two scored in this innings is their respective highest ever first class score.

PS The score card does not tell you who was in partnership with who but by just looking at the fall of wickets and individual scores of those that went before them, its easy to see that the partnership was between these two.
Interesting link there, not sure how we're supposed to access it.......good question though.

file:///Users/SJS/Desktop/England%20v%20Kent%20in%201861.webarchive
 

archie mac

International Coach
Because of that we will let you ask the next question :)

By the way, you have just recently joined the 1000 post club on this thread. With Jason not around anymore, it was getting a bit lonely for me there :)
Nice:cool:


Who am I?

I sued the Australian Cricket Council for leaving me out of the xxxx tour, after oringinally selecting me, and picked up 160 pounds, they said I had a sore knee, but I claimed I was fully fit
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Yes, I thought the Australian Cricket Council would have given a big clue:)
That confused the issue completely for me at least.

I have no idea what that organistaion is/was ?

The nearest one to that I can think of is the Australasian Cricket Council but when you said "YES" to the Post 19809? question that turned into a dead end to since the Australasian Council existed only till 1900.
:confused: :confused:
 

stumpski

International Captain
Okay I will provide the answer.

It is the record 55 run partnership between William Hopkinson(40) and Lambert Denne(35) for Kent against an England XI in this match in July 1861.

It was the highest partnership for the 11th wicket against an 'England' side in a first class game. Its not likely to be repeated since the laws dont allow more than 11 players in first class games now. Kent had fifteen.

The 40 and 35 runs that these two scored in this innings is their respective highest ever first class score.

PS The score card does not tell you who was in partnership with who but by just looking at the fall of wickets and individual scores of those that went before them, its easy to see that the partnership was between these two.
Just to go back to this one, the scorecard I've seen, on cricketarchive.com, indicates that 61 runs were added for the last three wickets, and as nos. 13, 14 and 15 scored 18, 8 and 9 it would seem that the 11th wicket partnership would have realised fewer than 55.
 
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archie mac

International Coach
:unsure: I'm mystified by that answer for the similar reason to SJS (Australian Cricket Council 1842-1900) and also £160 seems a meagre amount and Australia has had dollars since well before 1980.:unsure:
:ph34r: I should have said NO, sorry about that boys, yes we have had the dollar since 1966, the council organised the Sheffield Shield

The player I am thinking of has a link with Burn who was taken to England has a WK but had never kept before:)
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Just to go back to this one, the scorecard I've seen, on cricketarchive.com, indicates that 61 runs were added for the last three wickets, and as nos. 13, 14 and 15 scored 18, 8 and 9 it would seem that the 11th wicket partnership would have realised fewer than 55.
You are making a small mistake my dear.

The score card is vague about only the 12th and 13th wicket partnerships where ?? is put instead of the score at which the 12th and 13th wicket fell.

The 10th wicket fell at 128 and the 11th at 183

Fall of wickets:

1-2, 2-5, 3-48, 4-68, 5-84, 6-97, 7-97, 8-124, 9-128, 10-128, 11-183, 12-?, 13-?, 14-243 (156.1 ov)

That gives the 11th wicket partnership as 55.

What's the issue ??

By the way, how can player number 13(or anyone who bats lower than him) EVER be involved in an 11th wicket partnership? Its an impossibility unless one of the players who came before them retired for some reason. Just like any player batting at number 4 can not be involved in a 2nd wicket partnership. :)
2nd wicket partnership.
 

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