Mister Wright
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Has only said he's retired from international cricket.
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Stuart MacGill announces his retirement
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howardj
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whitedazzler
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thank god, the guy is crap, killer for the opposition though they love his economy rate
Blue_Faithful
Cricket Spectator
most countries he would be a 100test player, shame he couldnt have the spot his own for a year or 2.
Casson should be long term option now for spinners at least for test cricket.
Casson should be long term option now for spinners at least for test cricket.
Spinksy
Banned
Macgill is not "crap" imo.
Blue_Faithful
Cricket Spectator
agree, actually at some stages took more wickets than warne. he was attacking bowler and got plenty of wickets.
Julian87
State Captain
Agree and disagree. I think Johnson is useless all round. Bollinger is the bowler to replace him as well, not Bracken. Should happen sooner rather than later as well.
LongHopCassidy
International Captain
Think Noffke deserves his pound of flesh, tbbh. Nobody could've asked more of him in 2007-08.
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Agree. Casson might be the last spinner standing but at some point, form and performance should be rewarded. Again, it comes down to picking your best four bowlers, not just variation for the sake of it. No knock against Casson but as far as I'm concerned, he shouldn't be a realistic chance for the Test side.
pasag
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AWTA, but you just get the feeling that Aussie selectors will be more interested in finding the next Warne than playing the best XI.
Blue_Faithful
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can we risk 4 pacemen against India in india? They played out bowlers ok here in aus and conditions will be even better for batsman over there. Lee hasnt bowled much over there, clark could be put away at will and johnson i dont rate at the moment.
Either casson or cullen we just have to give them a go and stick with them
Either casson or cullen we just have to give them a go and stick with them
Blue_Faithful
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and vettori is a word class bowler
and scares countries
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Same logic; can we risk one spinner who will go for runs? And if all of the pace bowlers are likely to get spanked, no one spinner will make much difference anyway especially since decks have been turning progressively less.
If you really wanted to build a side specifically for the conditions, might be worth investing in 7 batsmen. A boring 0-0 bat-fest might be the result but at least they wouldn't lose!
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I'll be astonished if Clark gets owned in India, and despite Lee's not having bowled there much, he's better now than he ever has been in his career. Johnson I agree is raw and looks the most vulnerable.
I've said before I'd play Bracken over there - he may swing the new ball, but those slower cutters he bowls with such control would almost render him a fast left arm orthodox bowler there, and I could see that being a handful as the wickets wear.
If Casson or anyone else who's a spinner is completely hopeless (not saying they are - we just don't know) - why stick with them? Play your best bowlers - cf - Windies from 1980 and Australia 1975-76.
Blue_Faithful
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i thought if India played against Clark like one-dayers they would have won series. He is a one line bowler and he will get you out if you just leave, his one day career isnt good, because batsman move around and play shots, If i were India coach, i would show clark in one dayers and tell all batters to move around and have a go.
Blue_Faithful
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Johnson is younger.....that is all.......brackens first class career is better, and has played test cricket, but johnson they see as the young star of the future.
Firstly, I'd like to congratulate Stuart MacGill for making the tough call and retiring. IMO, he retired at the right time. He was bowling utter rubbish; it's not like his presence would have helped matters in the longe term, anyway. 200 Test wickets, from 44 Tests (despite his minnow-bashing) is, indeed, an impressive achievement, although he will forever be consigned to the role of 'Shane Warne's understudy' within the dusty confines of history.
I did feel that he was underrated by some in Australia - on this forum, even. In his favour, he could spin the ball as prodigiously as anyone. He had a very good googly to call upon and an OK topspinner. As pointed out, he also underperformed Shane Warne frequently when the two were bowling in tandem. Out of all of his performances, his 9 wickets against the World XI, IMO, will forever stand out, as will his 5-fer against Pakistan earlier that year (that legbreak to dismiss Mohammad Yousuf deserves to be a defining image).
I also felt that he was underrated as a batsman - during the 1998-2001 period and the 2005-2006 period, he could come up with some vital runs, ungainly though he looked (Adelaide 2005, Sydney 2006).
His flaws were a lack of control, both with the ball and on the field. He also lacked variation - he had nothing beyond a legbreak, googly and topspinner and also failed to vary his position on the popping crease. His fielding also wasn't particularly good (in fact, it was poor by Australian standards), although it would not have attracted notice in lesser fielding sides (i.e - 1990's Pakistan, the current Indian Test team).
I wish him luck for the future.
As for the Beau Casson debate, I'd be reluctant to play him - particularly in India. Few of their batsmen are fazed by the turning ball. India has been referred to as the tour of the 'dot ball' - a fair assessment, for mine. From what I've heard, Casson doesn't appear capable of delivering enough of those all-important dot balls.
I did feel that he was underrated by some in Australia - on this forum, even. In his favour, he could spin the ball as prodigiously as anyone. He had a very good googly to call upon and an OK topspinner. As pointed out, he also underperformed Shane Warne frequently when the two were bowling in tandem. Out of all of his performances, his 9 wickets against the World XI, IMO, will forever stand out, as will his 5-fer against Pakistan earlier that year (that legbreak to dismiss Mohammad Yousuf deserves to be a defining image).
I also felt that he was underrated as a batsman - during the 1998-2001 period and the 2005-2006 period, he could come up with some vital runs, ungainly though he looked (Adelaide 2005, Sydney 2006).
His flaws were a lack of control, both with the ball and on the field. He also lacked variation - he had nothing beyond a legbreak, googly and topspinner and also failed to vary his position on the popping crease. His fielding also wasn't particularly good (in fact, it was poor by Australian standards), although it would not have attracted notice in lesser fielding sides (i.e - 1990's Pakistan, the current Indian Test team).
I wish him luck for the future.
As for the Beau Casson debate, I'd be reluctant to play him - particularly in India. Few of their batsmen are fazed by the turning ball. India has been referred to as the tour of the 'dot ball' - a fair assessment, for mine. From what I've heard, Casson doesn't appear capable of delivering enough of those all-important dot balls.
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Basically, if every Test side took that attitude, they'd score 250 in a hurry which isn't enough to win a Test. Besides, it's much easier to accomplish that with fielding restrictions. Clark hasn't done brilliantly in ODI's for a few reasons, only one of which is his predictable line.