***Official*** IPL match discussion thread

[weldone]

I doubt they paid $1.3million so Symonds could sell shirts in India. Symonds has zero appeal with the Indian public. Dhoni, obviously, can sell shirts.

No, they paid for Symonds because they all thought he would dominate. They were obviously wrong. Warne, McGrath, Hussey and Watson are probably going to dominate this a lot more. I would bet that in three years, the players value will be much fairer. Considering the small body of work, the first auction was a crapshoot.

Is the next auction gonna happen after 3 years? ... Won't it take place every year? ... I mean why the hell will anyone need more than 59 matches to judge the players ... Also, why will the players have to wait for 3 years to experience the fruit of their success? Some older players like Warne and Mcgrath might even leave cricket after 3 years ... It's too long a time...

 

[weldone]

Delhi didn't have that many batsmen ,ofcourse bowling line up is the best of the lot .Hydrabad just fell flat on its hype.

Wat? Are you serious? Sehwag, Gambhir and Dhawan are among the top 6-8 better Indian T20 batsmen...Even if you don't consider the rest.

 

[weldone]

Symonds is probably one of the best ODI batsman seen since the King Viv you know? In recent years he's been one of the most devastating bats of all time and thus far he's been able to transform that into his price tag. Sure in Tests he may not be the highest quality but in ODI and T20 to doubt him is being niave, easily a player who should be fetching the top dollar.

Oho...Best in ODIs after Viv...is it?...Huh...Better than Sachin, Ponting and some others, is it?...Are you talking about batting? Are you talking about cricket? !!!

 

[Burgey]

Oho...Best in ODIs after Viv...is it?...Huh...Better than Sachin, Ponting and some others, is it?...Are you talking about batting? Are you talking about cricket? !!!

Are you going to take your pill now?

 

[weldone]

Since Husseys debut

Symonds 70 innings 15 NO 2448 @ 45.16 SR 96.16
Hussey 64 innings 26 NO 2113 @ 55.60 SR 87

Symonds 4 100's 16 50's
Hussey 2 100's 12 50's

Now as fantastic as I think Hussey is, in the shorter form of the game I would pick Symonds over him everyday of the week as a bat alone, not even considering what else he brings with some part time bowling and peerless fielding.

Your post consists of two parts- the facts and the conclusion...Not sure how the two are linked though!...Is the difference between strike rates 96.16 and 87 more than difference between averages 55.6 and 45.16?...I'm not sure what you want to convey with this post...

 

[ret]

Your post consists of two parts- the facts and the conclusion...Not sure how the two are linked though!...Is the difference between strike rates 96.16 and 87 more than difference between averages 55.6 and 45.16?...I'm not sure what you want to convey with this post...

^ 11 more not outs also help push up the average .... ask Bevan, if you don't believe

and thats probably the reason why he has mentioned not outs in his stats .... it's supposed to be understood duh

 

[ret]

Tendulkar doubtful to take field in today's game ..... Bravo comes in to replace Thorney .... Tiwary likely to play too

according to cricinfo

Mumbai: (probable) 1 Sanath Jayasuriya, 2 Luke Ronchi (wk), 3 Robin Uthappa, 4 Dwayne Bravo, 5 Saurabh Tiwary, 6 Abhishek Nayar, 7 Shaun Pollock, 8 Harbhajan Singh (capt), 9 Musavir Khote, 10 Ashish Nehra, 11 Dhaval Kulkarni

I would like Pollock to be pushed up to #5

 

[chaminda_00]

Rahane FTW

 

[weldone]

^ 11 more not outs also help push up the average .... ask Bevan, if you don't believe

and thats probably the reason why he has mentioned not outs in his stats .... it's supposed to be understood duh

Remaining not outs in ODIs even after having a strike rate of more than 85 is not the easiest of things...And if a great player plays at no. 6 in ODIs he's expected to remain not out most of the times...

 

[ret]

what about Sriram, Pankaj Dharmani, Amol Muzumdar???? Even VVS wasn't given a longer run inspite of his obvious potential.... I know his performances were bad but it was not like the others were setting the world on fire...


Anyways, I do agree that the talent coming through during Sachin's tenures were very bad compared to the talent that came through when Sourav was captain. But I still don't rate his talent spotting abilities at all... I guess it is just an opinion more than anything else...

Sriram

I can see how you form your opinion, so Tendulkar lacks talent spoting abilities and his batting style is not unique like you said on some thread .... whats next?

 

[duffer]

Really worrying about our bowling lineup tonight. Nerha alone is enough to give me a heart attack against guys like Hussey and Hayden.

And S-Max has really gone for the eye candy over talent in their coverage of this tournament. All the anchors (except Jadeja) are male models and the interviewers are young chicks.

No problem with this but when you see someone (Lekha) asking a Hyderabad fan if there were many Telugu people supporting the team I do wonder what the hell is going on.

The commentary has been okay though. Robin Jackman and Sivramakrishnan still crack me up every time I hear them.

 

[Flem274*]

Lol, GTFO. Who do you think you are, Roy Black? I'm not in my Crim Law class here, and when I come on CW I don't have a burden of proof to satisfy. Incredibly arrogance on your part. Not that I'm surprised.

When I say who I believe the best bowler in the world is in such a situation (you need wickets to win, I'd bring on Lee over anyone in the world) I don't need to qualify that statement with such evidence. Unless you'd like me to put in an affidavit too?

Brett Lee is the one bowler in the world atm that I think could have ripped Watson out in such a scenario. He wasn't utilised.

Who do you think is better? Your baby boy Steve Harmison?

I think he's judging on the overall career. Dale Steyn could challenge him on overall record fairly easily.

If its on recent form, still Steyn just because he's been so destructive.

Lee is the best limited overs fast bowler in the world though atm.

 

[ret]

Remaining not outs in ODIs even after having a strike rate of more than 85 is not the easiest of things...And if a great player plays at no. 6 in ODIs he's expected to remain not out most of the times...

which means that his avg is going to be pumped up

and on the degree of difficulty, which i find very funny for some reason, someone can argue that it's difficult to score at 45 w/ a SR of close to 100, so trading on degree of difficulties will get you no where

 

[weldone]

which means that his avg is going to be pumped up

I don't know how you can say so...How is a 20 not out in one inning and a 35 in the next worse than a 55 in one inning I am not being able to understand.

 

[weldone]

someone can argue that it's difficult to score at 45 w/ a SR of close to 100, so trading on degree of difficulties will get you no where

Who averages 45 with a strike rate close to 100?...Well, I know some1 who averages below 40 with a strike rate of 92...

...And if you want to consider stats only for a selected part of one's career, then I am sure there'll be plenty averaging 45 with strike rate 96.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Lol, GTFO. Who do you think you are, Roy Black? I'm not in my Crim Law class here, and when I come on CW I don't have a burden of proof to satisfy. Incredibly arrogance on your part. Not that I'm surprised.

When I say who I believe the best bowler in the world is in such a situation (you need wickets to win, I'd bring on Lee over anyone in the world) I don't need to qualify that statement with such evidence. Unless you'd like me to put in an affidavit too?

Brett Lee is the one bowler in the world atm that I think could have ripped Watson out in such a scenario. He wasn't utilised.

Who do you think is better? Your baby boy Steve Harmison?

Not arrogance it's just the fact that you don't bother to form an argument in the first place.

Making such a claim as Lee is the best bowler at the world at the moment needs to be backed up by something beyond just your personal opinion - especially since all rankings and statistics go against your claim.

Personally I'd sooner take Bond, McGrath, Warne and Murali over Lee at the moment.

 

[ret]

I don't know how you can say so...How is a 20 not out in one inning and a 35 in the next is worse than a 55 in one inning I am not being able to understand.

for you to understand that, you will have to first stop assuming numbers

and by giving those hypothetical numbers, you are making Hussey look bad coz, theoretically, a 20 not out at 87 SR, when you are playing at the end of the inning, is bad compared to a 55 no at 97

Even with those hypothetical numbers, it's easy to see how 'not out' makes a difference

Symo - 55*, 35, 40 = 130, avg = 65
Huss - 20*, 35*, 55 = 110, avg = 110

so you are not making any point even with hypothetical numbers

Who averages 45 with a strike rate close to 100?...Well, I know some1 who averages below 40 with a strike rate of 92...

...And if you want to consider stats only for a selected part of one's career, then I am sure there'll be plenty averaging 45 with strike rate 92

so it's getting clearer that you don't what you are talking abt .... the point of that guy was that Symo has been phenomenal of late and thats not implying that Hussey is not good

Symonds 70 innings 15 NO 2448 @ 45.16 SR 96.16
Hussey 64 innings 26 NO 2113 @ 55.60 SR 87

 

[weldone]

Symo - 55*, 35, 40 = 130, avg = 65
Huss - 20*, 35*, 55 = 110, avg = 110

I don't know from where this comes from my hypothetical numbers...Now I get why you tell me to stop assuming hypothetical numbers...Because you find them tough to understand...

 

[weldone]

so it's getting clearer that you don't what you are talking abt .... the point of that guy was that Symo has been phenomenal of late and thats not implying that Hussey is not good

Symonds 70 innings 15 NO 2448 @ 45.16 SR 96.16
Hussey 64 innings 26 NO 2113 @ 55.60 SR 87

So it's getting clearer that you didn't read his previous post...No, that guy was not making the point that Symo has been phenomenal of late...He was making the point that he is the best ever ODI batsman after Viv...If you had either the patience of reading through the entire conversation or the logical skills of not taking anything in isolation you would know...

 

[ret]

I don't know from where this comes from my hypothetical numbers...Now I get why you tell me to stop assuming hypothetical numbers...Because you find them tough to understand...

so is it only you who is suppose to come up with hypothetical numbers .... i merely built on yours

So it's getting clearer that you didn't read his previous post...No, that guy was not making the point that Symo has been phenomenal of late...He was making the point that he is the best ever ODI batsman after Viv...If you had either the patience of reading through the entire conversation or the logical skills of not taking anything in isolation you would know...

So? .... and if that were the case then whats Hussey got to do with that

and I do remember an article on cricinfo that did say that Symo has been Richards like since WC 2003, iirc .... not that i subscribe to those views as yet