***Official*** IPL match discussion thread

[Manee]

Whilst we're on the topic of domestic players...

Arjun, you had me convinced that Bangar could bowl - he was barely timing 115kph on his non-cutters!

 

[Dissector]

Good to see domestic performers like Nayar, Akhil & Virat kohli do their bits along side class acts like Kallis, Pollock & Boucher. Usually even the Indian stars like Tendulkar only make guest appearances in the domestic circuit.

IPL will raise the confidence and quality of Indian domestic players, one feels and hopes.

Yes even if it is a different format it will give them exposure to playing in front of huge,noisy crowds which isn't something you see in domestic cricket. And it will help improve their ODI skills for sure.

 

[ret]

Go Bangalore, show people that class > slog even in this format.

are you implying that other teams have sloggers

and if you consider someone like a McCullum a slogger than by your own admission, B'lore got beaten by a slogger .... if not then why r you calling other teams cricket as slog

 

[silentstriker]

are you implying that other teams have sloggers

and if you consider someone like a McCullum a slogger than by your own admission, B'lore got beaten by a slogger .... if not then why r you calling other teams cricket as slog

Yes, other teams do have sloggers. No, I do not consider someone like McCullum a slogger, though sometimes he can be. And slogging can work - that's why people do it. The problem with slogging is that it can never work reliably. So you might hit a quick fifty once, but you'll do nothing for the next five matches. Class is more consistent.

 

[ret]

Yes, other teams do have sloggers. No, I do not consider someone like McCullum a slogger, though sometimes he can be. And slogging can work - that's why people do it. The problem with slogging is that it can never work reliably. So you might hit a quick fifty once, but you'll do nothing for the next five matches. Class is more consistent.

so can we take it that other teams have class too, which makes comments like 'Go Bangalore, show people that class > slog even in this format' out of context

if you are talking abt dravid and kallis then they haven't done anything exceptional so far .... if you look at the score-card you will find that they have scored less than the RRR and compete more with pinal shah than some of the top performers of the game like jayasuriya, uthappa, pollock, taylor, kohli and boucher, who won the match

even a direct comparison wrt batting position will tell you that the opponent batsmen have faired much better

jayasuriya 29 @ 181.25 > dravid 33 @ 96.96
uthappa 48 @ 126.31 > kallis 25 @ 104.16

where the game was lost for MI and won for RC
#5 pinal 19 @ 82.50 < kohli 23 @ 164.25
#6 nayak 20 @ 142.85 < boucher 39 @ 205.26

so saying that b'lore did well coz of dravid and kallis would be like saying excellent work to pinal and nayak and discounting the good work for others, if MI had won

 

[jeevan]

Yes even if it is a different format it will give them exposure to playing in front of huge,noisy crowds which isn't something you see in domestic cricket. And it will help improve their ODI skills for sure.

I never got why even the Ranji matches etc were so unattended. I mean, there's a few hundred million school kids, many of whom have an annual picnic of some sort. Bus them to a Ranji match for that day and it will be great for the players and them as well. Give away a few tens of thousands of tickets in the numerous state lotteries, especially the weekend ones will be used.

The empty stands seem so incongruous to the T20I world series celebration or any number of random 2-bit political rallies (where you pretty much are a complete loser if you cant fill the venue).

 

[Sanz]

so saying that b'lore did well coz of dravid and kallis would be like saying excellent work to pinal and nayak and discounting the good work for others, if MI had won

Mumbai lost because it has crap bowling. Not saying that Banglore has better bowling, but they were slightly better and hence the win. Neither team is going to make much noise in the tournament.

I mean who picks Nehra as your frontline bowler anymore ?

 

[silentstriker]

so can we take it that other teams have class too, which makes comments like 'Go Bangalore, show people that class > slog even in this format' out of context

Nope, because many people say the class of Bangalore is irrelevant in this tournament.

 

[ret]

Mumbai lost because it has crap bowling. Not saying that Banglore has better bowling, but they were slightly better and hence the win. Neither team is going to make much noise in the tournament.

I mean who picks Nehra as your frontline bowler anymore ?

True that MI's bowling is not that good and it was one of the factors for the loss but let's not forget that Malinga, if available, and Pollock would have made a good combination and then Nehra and Bhajji would have provided decent back up, along with Jayasuriya and Tendulkar. But yeah, MI missed out on picking some good bowlers from the domestics

Despite these handicaps, MI could still have come tops in this game if they had promoted someone like Pollock earlier who could have got more balls to play. Jayasuriya's RO didn't help too. At the end, clearly B'bay were some runs short on that pitch. Though these concerns would be addressed when Tendulkar, Loots and Bravo come in

The below looks a useful combination

Tendulkar, Jayasuriya, Ronchi/Loots, Uthappa, Pollock, Bravo , Bhajji, Nehra .... backed by Pinal, Tiwary and others

 

[ret]

Nope, because many people say the class of Bangalore is irrelevant in this tournament.

class is not limited to Dravid and Kallis

if you are arguing that these two guys have class and others like Tendulkar, Jayasuriya, Ponting, Hussey, Sangakara, Hayden, etc then you probably need to re-look at the definition of class

B'lore has nothing to do with class, thats a branding misnomer, but yeah it has players who are more suitable for test cricket than T20

 

[silentstriker]

class is not limited to Dravid and Kallis

No one said it was.

if you are arguing that these two guys have class and others like Tendulkar, Jayasuriya, Ponting, Hussey, Sangakara, Hayden, etc then you probably need to re-look at the definition of class

If I had ever said that, you'd be right.

 

[silentstriker]

B'lore has nothing to do with class, thats a branding misnomer, but yeah it has players who are more suitable for test cricket than T20

Wrong. They'll do fine.

 

[ret]

Wrong. They'll do fine.

Again, it's not about doing fine but having better options .... to illustrate, you can kill someone with a knife or a gun, the Q is which is a better option in a given scenario .... Both knife and gun can do fine for killing

then could you explain what did you mean by saying

'Go Bangalore, show people that class > slog even in this format'

 

[silentstriker]

Again, it's not about doing fine but having better options ....

They'll do better than most players.

 

[silentstriker]

then could you explain what did you mean by saying

I meant that they have filled their team full of class players who were not expected to do well in 20/20, more so than almost any other team. They went for substance over fluff.

 

[ret]

I meant that they have filled their team full of class players who were not expected to do well in 20/20, more so than almost any other team. They went for substance over fluff.

so whats substance and whats fluff?

 

[silentstriker]

so whats substance and whats fluff?

Kallis and Dravid are substance. Guys like Uthappa, who went for more than Kallis, are fluff.

 

[ret]

Kallis and Dravid are substance. Guys like Uthappa, who went for more than Kallis, are fluff.

since you have classifies 'substance', how is it that B'lore has more substance than other teams?

and why is Uthappa a fluff while Kallis and Dravid are 'substance' in T20 context

 

[silentstriker]

since you have classifies 'substance', how is it that B'lore has more substance than other teams?

and why is Uthappa a fluff while Kallis and Dravid are 'substance' in T20 context

Because they are better cricket players.

 

[Sanz]

Because they are better cricket players.

Doesn't mean that they are better T20 cricketers. Dravid and Kallis refuse to play those uncnventional shots, rarely try to hit the good balls, dont take much risks etc.

They are great cricketers no doubt, but T20 is not for them, it is so obvious. I would definately take Uthapa ahead of Kallis/Dravid in T20 format. Banglore would have lot today , if Dravid had stayed for few more overs.