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Lee vs Akhtar

shortpitched713

International Captain
Lee's a gun right now, but hes still got a bit of ground to make up if he wants to be considered as good of a Test bower as Akhtar in my book. The early part of his Test career was very, very disappointing.
 

Beleg

International Regular
akhtar's very underrated. top 20 all-time

lee is good...but not akhtar's class.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Only 4 Pakistanis as can be considered better than Shoaib for my money.

Fazal, Imran, Wasim, Waqar. 2 of whom are unquestionably top-20 all-time material, and 2 others who very possibly might be.
 

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can Bret Lee do this to a line up that quickly?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-FDCluG2Rc&feature=related
But that's the point, isn't it? Akhtar did that then went missing for the rest of the, well, series. Tends to pick and choose which ones he participates in too. People have much respect for his ability but I don't think there' smuch respect for his attitude or longevity. I'm pretty sure that most Test bowlers, were they able to choose to play only when feeling at their absolute best, would have far better records too.

That said, I agree with the general sentiment; Lee has much ground to make up before he matches Shoaib's record and achievements.
 

funnygirl

State Regular
can Bret Lee do this to a line up that quickly?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-FDCluG2Rc&feature=related
That was a fluke one ,other wise his average against Australia would have been better than 36 .Or in other words he was inconsistent .Not only against Australia ,against India as well .He didn't well against two best batting line up in the world .One odd performance here and there .And his fans tell those in the whole life .

PS : That action looked extremely ugly to watch .May be optical illusion ,but it is horrible .
 
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FRAZ

International Captain
Once again I don't really understand that where is the brain in this world . If there is a simple question that "who is a better bowler?
Then simple answer is Shoaib Akhtar !
Better human , better looking , lesser idiot , lesser injured , lesser asshole and all that stuff is just plain rubbish (if discussed) .. Just say "Lee is better" or "Shoaib is better" and move along ..
What if Lee moves to Mumbai and joins Shiv Sena then will you guys still back him up ?
 

FRAZ

International Captain
Better Bowler = Akhtar

Better Attitude = Lee
Relatively better post by the Karachite standards but overall the best post in this thread so far (though contains Shoaib hate phenomenon in a hidden way) !
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Only 4 Pakistanis as can be considered better than Shoaib for my money.

Fazal, Imran, Wasim, Waqar. 2 of whom are unquestionably top-20 all-time material, and 2 others who very possibly might be.
I'd give you Imran/Wasim/Waqar at their best but only just though. Not Fazal though, although being a great medium pace bowler of the Bedser/Mailey style don't think those style of bowlers would be such a wicket-taking threat in modern day cricket although they probably be accurate.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
We don't know how fast Fazal and Bedser were. It's highly unlikely they were as slow as 70mph.

Arthur Mailey was a wristspinner BTW, and he wasn't THAT good.
 

bond21

Banned
Lee, easily.

Now that hes the #1 bowler, he is bowling better than ever, and demolished India and Sri Lanka making look like minnows.

Only quick I can see to measure up to him is Steyn atm, I rate Lee as #1 in the world.
 
Only 4 Pakistanis as can be considered better than Shoaib for my money.

Fazal, Imran, Wasim, Waqar. 2 of whom are unquestionably top-20 all-time material, and 2 others who very possibly might be.
Imran is an unquestionaby top 5(personally,I have no doubt that he's the best bowler ever) material,Wasim top 10,Waqar top 15 and Fazal top 20 for sure.
 

funnygirl

State Regular
I'd give you Imran/Wasim/Waqar at their best but only just though. Not Fazal though, although being a great medium pace bowler of the Bedser/Mailey style don't think those style of bowlers would be such a wicket-taking threat in modern day cricket although they probably be accurate.
U have to tell about the modern day batsmen with such a lack of techniques ,on a good day even sreesanth will look like Michael Holding..

And AKhtar no comparison between Akhtar who ''convenietly play matches with a convenient spell of 3 overs and taking rest in the boundary lne ,or getting unfit and unavailable for the rest of the series ''with true greats who had played double number of matches than him .Just too unfair .
 
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Beleg

International Regular
U have to tell about the modern day batsmen with such a lack of techniques ,on a good day even sreesanth will look like Michael Holding..

And AKhtar no comparison between Akhtar who ''convenietly play matches with a convenient spell of 3 overs and taking rest in the boundary lne ,or getting unfit and unavailable for the rest of the series ''with true greats who had played double number of matches than him .Just too unfair .
What a load of bollocks.

He tooks wickets against all oppositions in all conditions. He troubled pretty much every single batsman he came across - he made inroads where none others could, he tooks wickets when the whole team was looking up to him to do so.

Name me a bowler (apart from McGrath and Murali) in the recent era who was similarly destructive in such a variety of conditions against so many different oppositions....
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
What a load of bollocks.

He tooks wickets against all oppositions in all conditions. He troubled pretty much every single batsman he came across - he made inroads where none others could, he tooks wickets when the whole team was looking up to him to do so.

Name me a bowler (apart from McGrath and Murali) in the recent era who was similarly destructive in such a variety of conditions against so many different oppositions....
Bond, Flintoff (when fit), Warne, Steyn, Lee (ver. 2) have all been very capable of being destructive in a variety of conditions. While he was perhaps more destructive, they are all worth a mention.

Reckon he got a bit too big for his own boots TBH.
 

funnygirl

State Regular
What a load of bollocks.

He tooks wickets against all oppositions in all conditions. He troubled pretty much every single batsman he came across - he made inroads where none others could, he tooks wickets when the whole team was looking up to him to do so.
Name me a bowler (apart from McGrath and Murali) in the recent era who was similarly destructive in such a variety of conditions against so many different oppositions....

He used to walk to the pavilion when the team needs him most on many occasions as well .However Mcgrath is in a different league .He did that many times which acquired him
500+ wickets .We are discussing abt a certain Akhtar who hasn't reached 200 wickets yet . Let him play more and prove more on a consistent basis before he put him in the same bracket of Pakistani legends .I am not saying he is crap ,he is still pakistan's best bowler ,but not yet reached in the league of his predecessors.
 
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