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***Official*** Commonwealth Bank Tri-Series 2007-08

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
God youre an idiot
And you are a hypocrite who has been deprived of his mother's milk and basically had to depend on the milk supplied by the government of Australia. Only that would explain such blatant nationalistic bias and basically supporting every wrong deed by Australians.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Harby retaliates by saying that Hayden is a liar.

About what?
About Hayden's comments about 'Racial Vilification mate'. He and his buddy Symonds both have been proved liars.

Stumps mike didn't catch it, Tendulkar didn't hear it, Gilly didn't hear it, Umpires didn't hear it. He was indeed proved to be a liar and they accepted it by withdrawing the charge.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
As for monkey, you're obviously living under the same rock as he is if you still dont get the fact that it is a racially offensive slur
It may very well be in Australian culture, but in Indian culture it is not.

Hayden doesnt like Harby and says so
No he calls Harbhajan an 'Obnoxious weed', which is an insult and then mocks Ishant Sharma's accent, which can be considered as racial as calling Symonds a monkey. Unfortunately your tinted vision cant see the similarity there.

Symonds is another liar..and it has been proven. The other day when he was bowled by Ishant Sharma, he claimed that he was praising Ishant. Go ahead and sue me, It will make my day.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
IF HARBY SAID IT, he needs to be severely reprimanded AND it forms the basis of a legal complaint
Before making a legal complaint Cricket Australia must verify the authenticity of the report.

So far there is no evidence of it has appeared to support the ' IF Harbhajan has said" what you and your board are basing your legal case to be on.
 

adharcric

International Coach
social said:
God youre an idiot

Hayden doesnt like Harby and says so

Harby retaliates by saying that Hayden is a liar.

About what?

The only thing that it could be is the evidence he gave at the inquiry. That is a very serious charge and, IF HARBY SAID IT, he needs to be severely reprimanded AND it forms the basis of a legal complaint
Haha, do you honestly believe that?
social said:
As for monkey, you're obviously living under the same rock as he is if you still dont get the fact that it is a racially offensive slur
You still don't know if Bhajji called him "monkey".
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
About Hayden's comments about 'Racial Vilification mate'. He and his buddy Symonds both have been proved liars.

Stumps mike didn't catch it, Tendulkar didn't hear it, Gilly didn't hear it, Umpires didn't hear it. He was indeed proved to be a liar and they accepted it by withdrawing the charge.
Once again, you're talking crap

The judge decided that the burden of proof required independent verification i.e. not just Australian players

There wasnt any such evidence, so the charge was reduced

That does not mean that either Hayden or Symonds or Clarke lied.

In fact, the stump mike exchange suggests that Harbajhan did say it as does his repeated changing of story

But hey, you continue living in wonderland. I hear the weather is nice there anyway
 

howardj

International Coach
Once again, you're talking crap

The judge decided that the burden of proof required independent verification i.e. not just Australian players

There wasnt any such evidence, so the charge was reduced

That does not mean that either Hayden or Symonds or Clarke lied.

In fact, the stump mike exchange suggests that Harbajhan did say it as does his repeated changing of story

But hey, you continue living in wonderland. I hear the weather is nice there anyway
What I understand is that, in India during the Future Cup, Symonds was offended by the term 'Monkey'. I agree, that this is a racial slur (it suggests that a black man is subhuman). Symonds then went to talk to Singh and explained this to him. In turn, Singh retorted that he was offended by some abuse that he had copped from Symonds in that same match. Consequently, they made a pact to refrain from such invective.

In the Sydney Test, after Singh patted Lee on the bottom, Symonds got stuck into him and started abusing him (and thus breaking the aforementioned pact). Singh then responded in kind. It wouldn't surprise me, given the slimey way Symonds has conducted himself this Summer, if his abuse of Singh was a deliberate attempt to get Singh to break the pact, call him a monkey and then pin a racial abuse charge on him.

Having said that, Singh has been appalling this Summer too.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Once again, you're talking crap

The judge decided that the burden of proof required independent verification i.e. not just Australian players

There wasnt any such evidence, so the charge was reduced

That does not mean that either Hayden or Symonds or Clarke lied.
They did. "Symonds couldn't recall if he had heard Harbhajan use that particular Hindi abuse and accepted that it was a possibility."

"It is not without significance that the Australian players maintain other than Mr Symonds that they did not hear any other words spoken, only the ones that are said to be of significance to this hearing,..."This is a little surprising in the context where there was a reasonably prolonged heated exchange. Indeed Mr Clarke went so far as to say that he did not hear Mr Symonds say anything. Given Mr Symonds' own acceptance that he initiated the exchange and was abusive towards Mr Singh, that is surprising. .....""

Yeah right Clarke didn't hear Symonds say anything but he heard Harbhajan calling Symonds a 'M.." Still not convinced ?

In fact, the stump mike exchange suggests that Harbajhan did say it as does his repeated changing of story
Stump mike didn't suggest anything, It is mere assumptions.

But hey, you continue living in wonderland. I hear the weather is nice there anyway
Yes of course, I take my head out for a walk even though the weather isn't as nice where I am. On the other hand you continue to suffer in the hell and keap your head buried safely in the sand, even in that nice weather you are having out there, so that it doesn't get to learn any unbiased perspective of the world
 
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Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
You dont have to, the decision was made by an independent ICC representative.
Really, so Crowe inspected Gilly's Gloves too ?

Besides, since when have you started considering the ICC representative as an Independent one ? I thought, according to you, they were all paid cronies of BCCI.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
They did. "Symonds couldn't recall if he had heard Harbhajan use that particular Hindi abuse and accepted that it was a possibility."

"It is not without significance that the Australian players maintain other than Mr Symonds that they did not hear any other words spoken, only the ones that are said to be of significance to this hearing,..."This is a little surprising in the context where there was a reasonably prolonged heated exchange. Indeed Mr Clarke went so far as to say that he did not hear Mr Symonds say anything. Given Mr Symonds' own acceptance that he initiated the exchange and was abusive towards Mr Singh, that is surprising. .....""

Yeah right Clarke didn't hear Symonds say anything but he heard Harbhajan calling Symonds a 'M.." Still not convinced ?



Stump mike didn't suggest anything, It is mere assumptions.



Yes of course, I take my head out for a walk even though the weather is nice where I am. On the other hand you continue to suffer in the hell and keap your head buried in the sand instead of giving it some fresh air in that nice weather you are having out there.
Firstly, given that I live in Dubai, am not a resident of Australia, and dont pay taxes to Australia, my ties to the Australian government are effectively ZERO

Secondly, you are referring to an argument where it was put forward that Harby might have used a Hindi term that sounds similar to "monkey."

Symonds said he couldnt be sure that it was definitely the latter

If anything, this shows Symonds as honest as he could could quite easily have stuck the boot into Harby by claiming that it was definitely "monkey" and not "maaki"

As for Clarke, who knows if he heard anything other than Harby?

Apparently, Symonds gave the weed a mouthful, the latter went away for a while, lost the plot and came back and called him whatever he did.

In the meantime, the ball was hit into the outfield, fielded and returned

Bottom line, is that it's hardly surprising that not all parties were involved 100% of the time
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Firstly, given that I live in Dubai, am not a resident of Australia, and dont pay taxes to Australia, my ties to the Australian government are effectively ZERO

Secondly, you are referring to an argument where it was put forward that Harby might have used a Hindi term that sounds similar to "monkey."

Symonds said he couldnt be sure that it was definitely the latter

If anything, this shows Symonds as honest as he could could quite easily have stuck the boot into Harby by claiming that it was definitely "monkey" and not "maaki"

As for Clarke, who knows if he heard anything other than Harby?

Apparently, Symonds gave the weed a mouthful, the latter went away for a while, lost the plot and came back and called him whatever he did.

In the meantime, the ball was hit into the outfield, fielded and returned

Bottom line, is that it's hardly surprising that not all parties were involved 100% of the time
First of all start using the name of the player instead of calling him a 'weed'. If you dont do it I will start referring to Symonds as 'Monkey', Hayden as 'Mutant Potato' and Clarke as 'Pup Pluto' and that will get you very touchy.

Secondly, who cares where you live, the fact is that you are a blatantly biased aussie and it is evident in pretty much every word you say.

As for rest of your crap, Here is something you should read (read as in really read). It is not very hard to figure out Hayden and his Liar mates trying to frame Bhajji. I had given them the benefit of doubt but the Stump mikes support nothing and the more I read or hear about it the more it is clear that they were trying the latest way of 'Mental Disintegration'.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23128287-5001023,00.html

TRANSCRIPT of audio picked up from the Channel Nine stump microphone of alleged incident between Harbhajan Singh and Andrew Symonds at the SCG Test earlier this month.

Symonds walks up to Harbhajan at the end of an over.

Symonds: "Go and yell at your teammates .... You called me monkey again."

Matthew Hayden: "Twice. You've got a witness now champ."

Hayden approaches Harbhajan.

Hayden: "That's the last time."

Harbhajan: "No listen he started it."

Hayden: "Doesn't matter mate, it's racial vilification mate. It's a **** word and you know it."

Soon after, Michael Clarke approaches umpire Mark Benson.

Clarke: "It's not the first time. He done it in India and got into strife. That's the second time he's done it."

Captain Ricky Ponting walks up to Benson and gestures towards fellow umpire Steve Bucknor.

Ponting: "Go and tell him. Go and tell him straight away
 
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Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Here is more, Make sure you really read it :-

http://www.bigstarcricket.com/bs/news/article_3440.shtml

"Mr Tendulkar said there was offensive words in Mr Singh’s native tongue and he also heard abusive language in English between the two. Mr Hayden says he heard the words “big monkey” but could not recall for the court any other words that were said by either party. ........it is not without significance that the Australian players maintain other than Mr Symonds that they did not hear any other words spoken only the ones that are said to be of significance to this hearing. This is a little surprising in the context where there was a reasonably prolonged heated exchange. Indeed Mr Clarke went so far as to say that he did not hear Mr Symonds say anything. Given Mr Symonds’ own acceptance that he initiated the exchange and was abusive towards Mr Singh, that is surprising. "
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
First of all start using the name of the player instead of calling him a 'weed'. If you dont do it I will start referring to Symonds as 'Monkey', Hayden as 'Mutant Potato' and Clarke as 'Pup Pluto' and that will get you very touchy.

Secondly, who cares where you live, the fact is that you are a blatantly biased aussie and it is evident in pretty much every word you say.

As for rest of your crap, Here is something you should read (read as in really read). It is not very hard to figure out Hayden and his Liar mates trying to frame Bhajji. I had given them the benefit of doubt but the Stump mikes support nothing and the more I read or hear about it the more it is clear that they were trying the latest way of 'Mental Disintegration'.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23128287-5001023,00.html

TRANSCRIPT of audio picked up from the Channel Nine stump microphone of alleged incident between Harbhajan Singh and Andrew Symonds at the SCG Test earlier this month.

Symonds walks up to Harbhajan at the end of an over.

Symonds: "Go and yell at your teammates .... You called me monkey again."

Matthew Hayden: "Twice. You've got a witness now champ."

Hayden approaches Harbhajan.

Hayden: "That's the last time."

Harbhajan: "No listen he started it."

Hayden: "Doesn't matter mate, it's racial vilification mate. It's a **** word and you know it."

Soon after, Michael Clarke approaches umpire Mark Benson.

Clarke: "It's not the first time. He done it in India and got into strife. That's the second time he's done it."

Captain Ricky Ponting walks up to Benson and gestures towards fellow umpire Steve Bucknor.

Ponting: "Go and tell him. Go and tell him straight away
How does highlighting this piece help you in any way, shape or form?

3 witnesses and no denial.

In fact, the only thing that Harby does offer is a feeble "No listen he started it."

And btw, why would the Australians even bother trying to frame Harby .

The guy was India's worst bowler in the series whilst Hayden and Symonds milked him for runs at every opportunity.

That is simply one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories ever put forward.

If anything, those guys should've launched an appeal NOT to have him banned
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Stump mike didn't suggest anything, It is mere assumptions.
What? Hayden said, "That's racial vilification mate", "It's a **** word and you know it" and Harbhajan was just standing there smiling uneasily. Didn't even try to deny it.
 

sirdj

State Vice-Captain
How does highlighting this piece help you in any way, shape or form?

3 witnesses and no denial.
If he had any idea of what he is being accused of he would deny it, wouldn't he?

In fact, the only thing that Harby does offer is a feeble "No listen he started it."
Like had he had vociferously denied it, it would have made any difference to the Australian media and some Aussie supporters in this forum?

And btw, why would the Australians even bother trying to frame Harby .
The guy was India's worst bowler in the series whilst Hayden and Symonds milked him for runs at every opportunity.
That is simply one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories ever put forward.
If anything, those guys should've launched an appeal NOT to have him banned
Heaven knows why they tried it........maybe they saw Bhajji as the loose cannon and therefore the chink in the Indian armour for their plans of 'mental disintegration'. But it sort of misfired and instead made the Indians much more determined.......like Flintoff's sledging of Yuvraj in the T20 world cup.
 

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Sorry to interrupt, can't resist...

If he had any idea of what he is being accused of he would deny it, wouldn't he?
They were quite obviously accusing him of racial abuse, per his understanding of what 'monkey' meant in consideration of what happened in India previously.

Hayden quite bluntly says: "That's racial vilification mate". How can you get any clearer as to what is being accused of you?

Like had he had vociferously denied it, it would have made any difference to the Australian media and some Aussie supporters in this forum?
He didn't accuse Harbhajan of being poorly dressed or a crappy bowler; Harbhajan was accused of racism. I thought Indians took racism seriously?

Heaven knows why they tried it........maybe they saw Bhajji as the loose cannon and therefore the chink in the Indian armour for their plans of 'mental disintegration'. But it sort of misfired and instead made the Indians much more determined.......like Flintoff's sledging of Yuvraj in the T20 world cup.
Or he actually said it and that was the only reason behind it. Why would they want Harbhajan banned when he was getting tonked for most of the series? The Aussies with their 'mental disintegration' focus on players who will do them harm, not those that are benefiting them.
 

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