***Official*** Commonwealth Bank Tri-Series 2007-08

[Son Of Coco]

What is the basis of saying Harbhajan's response was much worse????????



Again, you are showing up the fact that you are a US citizen by acting as though a racost insult (the fact is that Harbhajan is NOT racist) is the biggest crime in the world....... I agree it is bad and deplorable but so is every other personal insult thrown around in a cricket field....... For me, abusing a friend or a respected figure or a family member or a dear one is juz as bad as being thrown a racist insult. You gotta grow up and figure this out.... India does not have a racist history of the sort we have seen in the West or in Australia.. Many Indians don't react that bad if they were called "black" or "brown" by fellow Indians... We are divided by lots of things but race is not one of them... Therefore, for an Indian, a personal insult could be as bad as a racist insult. So by that logic, Ponting or Symonds or Hayden or any of those idiots who sledge that way deserve to be booed just as much as Harbhajan. They are not any better than him and he is not any worse than them......

This is not a fact.

 

[Cevno]

I am surprised mor has been made of the comments to harbhajan by the aussie crowd to cut his hair and what not.It is racist.
Racist chants were directed at harbhajan asking him to cut his hair and also comments like "show whats in that pony". Again 9 & foxtell and for that matter ignored that/decided not to show it. I ask how many times they have played that monkey chanting from Mumbai?
I hope similar thing is done if the crowd calls symonds a monkey in india.But unfortunately,i think that the aussie team and media will create a mountain out of a molehill again if the same happens.
God help the tolerant and the non-crybaby!!!!!

 

[Sanz]

Incase people have missed it :-

"In Brisbane on Tuesday, there were Indian fans bashed in the stands and the ugly scene of an Australian fan wiping his backside with the Indian flag."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/1,9191,23326560-2882,00.html

 

[Son Of Coco]

Incase people have missed it :-

"In Brisbane on Tuesday, there were Indian fans bashed in the stands and the ugly scene of an Australian fan wiping his backside with the Indian flag."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/1,9191,23326560-2882,00.html

That sort of stuff happening is an absolute disgrace.

I don't like Ben Dorries (at least I think it's him) reporting on the cricket usually, but he's done well here in a straightforward reporting of what went on. As Bob Hawke said..."there are elements of the Australian society who are a bit red-necked". Unfortunately, they turn up at the cricket from time-to-time.

 

[biased indian]

This is not a fact.

That is not proven though....

if any indian player go on radio or press tommorrow and say that hayden said some racist remarks to them..will you buy it..or will you need proof..

although in my book hayden has already made racist remark towards ishant by immitating his way of speaking english..

 

[honestbharani]

Unbelievable bs

care to explain????????

 

[honestbharani]

This is not a fact.

Innocent till proven guilty......

 

[social]

Incase people have missed it :-

"In Brisbane on Tuesday, there were Indian fans bashed in the stands and the ugly scene of an Australian fan wiping his backside with the Indian flag."

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/1,9191,23326560-2882,00.html

Morons + beer = trouble

They could ban it from the grounds and it would not be that big a deal for anything other than revenue - it's not worth the bother lining up for ages to get one anyway

However, it's not as thought the police didnt do anything about it.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23322151-10389,00.html

The Herald Sun is Melbourne's version of the Daily Telegraph and will exaggerate the truth in the aim of a good story

 

[adharcric]

What is the basis of saying Harbhajan's response was much worse????????



Again, you are showing up the fact that you are a US citizen by acting as though a racost insult (the fact is that Harbhajan is NOT racist) is the biggest crime in the world....... I agree it is bad and deplorable but so is every other personal insult thrown around in a cricket field....... For me, abusing a friend or a respected figure or a family member or a dear one is juz as bad as being thrown a racist insult. You gotta grow up and figure this out.... India does not have a racist history of the sort we have seen in the West or in Australia.. Many Indians don't react that bad if they were called "black" or "brown" by fellow Indians... We are divided by lots of things but race is not one of them... Therefore, for an Indian, a personal insult could be as bad as a racist insult. So by that logic, Ponting or Symonds or Hayden or any of those idiots who sledge that way deserve to be booed just as much as Harbhajan. They are not any better than him and he is not any worse than them......

Relax. First of all, India does have a racist history of its own sort. Yes, I'd say racism is worse in Australia right now based on everything I've heard but get off this high horse. Harbhajan is getting more **** than he deserves but you're overreacting just a bit here. Regarding the "US citizen" comment, I know what you're talking about but try being more careful with comments like that next time. Someone is bound to take it the wrong way.

 

[Sanz]

Morons + beer = trouble

They could ban it from the grounds and it would not be that big a deal for anything other than revenue - it's not worth the bother lining up for ages to get one anyway

However, it's not as thought the police didnt do anything about it.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23322151-10389,00.html

The Herald Sun is Melbourne's version of the Daily Telegraph and will exaggerate the truth in the aim of a good story

Very predictable, as always.

Keep giving lame excuses.

 

[social]

care to explain????????

The entire world is bored with discussing Harby's "performances" in India and Australia, so I wont bother with that discussion.

Likewise, your claim that India is less ammune to racism than most other societies has been refuted ad nauseam

Finally, by telling SS to "grow up" (and basically take into account Indian sensitivities), you are calmy ignoring the fact you and Harby have failed to take your own advice where the majority of the rest of the world's sensitivities on racism are concerned

 

[honestbharani]

Relax. First of all, India does have a racist history of its own sort. Yes, I'd say racism is worse in Australia right now based on everything I've heard but get off this high horse. Harbhajan is getting more **** than he deserves but you're overreacting just a bit here. Regarding the "US citizen" comment, I know what you're talking about but try being more careful with comments like that next time. Someone is bound to take it the wrong way.

What high horse?????????


We have our own evils and they are just as bad as racism... Casteism is almost the same as racism and I am not denying any of that... I am ashamed as an Indian that such things still do exist in our society... But to mix it up with racism is just plain stupid. I said this before and I say this again... Try going to India to any small town or even big town and see how common it is for people to be called "gora" or "kaala" or any other such thing based on the color of their skin.... Racism is different in different countries.. In India, some bias based on skin color does exist but to say it is the same as the kind of racism we have seen in the US or in Australia is juz being idiotic...


Plz understand what I am trying to say.. I am not saying racist behaviour can be excused. But facts are.... Harbhajan has 'allegedly' insulted one man (who has been misbehaving any way) with what can be considered to be a "racist abuse".. He has never had any trouble with any others of that origin and has got along just fine. There is no basis whatsoever to think that he has racist bias. The same applies for the crowds.. Both times, it might have been said only to provoke the antagonist. In that regard, it is no worse than any personal abuse thrown at them by the said antagonist or his team mates.... Is that really that difficult to comprehend?


And yes, there are worse insults than juz racist ones.... I, for one, am deeply offended if anyone calls me a SoB than if they call me a monkey or whatever......... Again, s that so difficult to comprehend? And what insult is worse and what insult is not so worse plainly depends on the person at whom it has been hurled... Period.

 

[honestbharani]

Relax. First of all, India does have a racist history of its own sort. Yes, I'd say racism is worse in Australia right now based on everything I've heard but get off this high horse. Harbhajan is getting more **** than he deserves but you're overreacting just a bit here. Regarding the "US citizen" comment, I know what you're talking about but try being more careful with comments like that next time. Someone is bound to take it the wrong way.

I meant that racism has been a HUGE problem over there and so I can understand why he thinks it is the worst thing in the world. But it need not be the same in other countries... That was my point. Apologies if it came out the wrong way and if people have taken it the wrong way. Will be more careful henceforth with those comments.

 

[social]

Very predictable, as always.

Keep giving lame excuses.

Which excuse is that?

Guy gets hit and assailant is arrested

People invade ground and get arrested

28 others get arrested

Behaviour of some was deplorable but it's not as though everything was swept under the carpet

 

[honestbharani]

The entire world is bored with discussing Harby's "performances" in India and Australia, so I wont bother with that discussion.

Likewise, your claim that India is less ammune to racism than most other societies has been refuted ad nauseam

Finally, by telling SS to "grow up" (and basically take into account Indian sensitivities), you are calmy ignoring the fact you and Harby have failed to take your own advice where the majority of the rest of the world's sensitivities on racism are concerned

Ammune??? Refuted? Ad nauseam?



Tell me when Indians have denied opportunities to people on the basis of their skin color as a Government policy, then we will talk.....



So we should consider your "racist words" sensitivity and you won't consider Indians' "personal insults" sensitivity????????? Is that because Aussies are Gods or what? Compromise and understanding are two-way streets, mate.

 

[adharcric]

What high horse?????????


We have our own evils and they are just as bad as racism... Casteism is almost the same as racism and I am not denying any of that... I am ashamed as an Indian that such things still do exist in our society... But to mix it up with racism is just plain stupid. I said this before and I say this again... Try going to India to any small town or even big town and see how common it is for people to be called "gora" or "kaala" or any other such thing based on the color of their skin.... Racism is different in different countries.. In India, some bias based on skin color does exist but to say it is the same as the kind of racism we have seen in the US or in Australia is juz being idiotic...


Plz understand what I am trying to say.. I am not saying racist behaviour can be excused. But facts are.... Harbhajan has 'allegedly' insulted one man (who has been misbehaving any way) with what can be considered to be a "racist abuse".. He has never had any trouble with any others of that origin and has got along just fine. There is no basis whatsoever to think that he has racist bias. The same applies for the crowds.. Both times, it might have been said only to provoke the antagonist. In that regard, it is no worse than any personal abuse thrown at them by the said antagonist or his team mates.... Is that really that difficult to comprehend?


And yes, there are worse insults than juz racist ones.... I, for one, am deeply offended if anyone calls me a SoB than if they call me a monkey or whatever......... Again, s that so difficult to comprehend? And what insult is worse and what insult is not so worse plainly depends on the person at whom it has been hurled... Period.

Fair enough. Don't think I disagree with you on much of that.

 

[biased indian]

Which excuse is that?

Guy gets hit and assailant is arrested

People invade ground and get arrested

28 others get arrested

Behaviour of some was deplorable but it's not as though everything was swept under the carpet

from where u got that 28 ????
just asking didnt see it in the link u provided

 

[social]

Ammune??? Refuted? Ad nauseam?



Tell me when Indians have denied opportunities to people on the basis of their skin color as a Government policy, then we will talk.....



So we should consider your "racist words" sensitivity and you won't consider Indians' "personal insults" sensitivity????????? Is that because Aussies are Gods or what? Compromise and understanding are two-way streets, mate.

I cant work out whether you're Doctor Who or Alice In Wonderland

If you're living in a time when the Australian Government legislated against opportunities for indigenous people, then you need to reset the Tardis and get back to 2008 because that crap went out decades ago

If anything, the reverse is true and there is legislation in place to prevent it.

At worst, the situation is similar to India, where it still happens but at least there are avenues for recourse in Australia for the victim

And if you dont think that teams from India engage in exactly the same type of language as Australia, then you are seated next to the Mad-Hatter.

Check the list of infringements recorded and you'll find that the Indian team tops the teams list and an Indian player heads the players' poll.

FFS, all you need to do is watch a game and you'd have to be blind to realise that Indian players are not saying "good shot."

Are the Australians angels? No.

But certain members of the Indian team, management and media are no more than whinging hypocrites

 

[honestbharani]

I cant work out whether you're Doctor Who or Alice In Wonderland

If you're living in a time when the Australian Government legislated against opportunities for indigenous people, then you need to reset the Tardis and get back to 2008 because that crap went out decades ago

If anything, the reverse is true and there is legislation in place to prevent it.

At worst, the situation is similar to India, where it still happens but at least there are avenues for recourse in Australia for the victim

And if you dont think that teams from India engage in exactly the same type of language as Australia, then you are seated next to the Mad-Hatter.

Check the list of infringements recorded and you'll find that the Indian team tops the teams list and an Indian player heads the players' poll.

FFS, all you need to do is watch a game and you'd have to be blind to realise that Indian players are not saying "good shot."

Are the Australians angels? No.

But certain members of the Indian team, management and media are no more than whinging hypocrites

hmmm..... I guess u haven't worked who you are among the two you mentioned. So no surprise u can't figure out who I am...



Anyways, I never said Indians were better behaved than Aussies. AFAIC, both teams are at the same level... Infringements and punishments vary and there have been times recently when Aussies have easily gotten away with certain things... Not saying Indians haven't but juz pointing out that the ICC behaviour record is NOT the be all and end all, esp. because some of the worst things said by the Aussies seems to have happened through the media than on the field... How it makes them better than Indians, only you can explain....


And thirdly, there is legal recourse against racism in India and has been for ages... Not a surprise that you don't know.. Try reading the Indian Constitution for once.


And yes, inspite of all that, I still maintain that a good number of Indians would still feel more offended by personal abuse than any racist abuse... And if that is what had happened, then he has every right to give it back and both men should cop the same punishment..... Anyways, since nothing came out in the hearing, all this is juz a moot point.

 

[jeevan]

hmmm..... I guess u haven't worked who you are among the two you mentioned. So no surprise u can't figure out who I am...

And yes, inspite of all that, I still maintain that a good number of Indians would still feel more offended by personal abuse than any racist abuse... And if that is what had happened, then he has every right to give it back and both men should cop the same punishment..... Anyways, since nothing came out in the hearing, all this is juz a moot point.

HB:

This racism vs personal abuse vs bastard being OK etc is not going to converge. It is a matter of very diverse opinions.

In the meanwhile lets just concenterate on more tangible things. Such as:
Does Harbhajan have a pattern of racist discrimination or violent behavior or even a pattern of threatening violence. Anything more serious than shouting at umpires and muttering something at Symonds, which constitutes very undesirable hot headed behavior - but hardly merits the high vitriol heaped on him ('poor excuse for human being', 'racist SOB' etc.).

Would like to know what people really know about him that such conclusions are freely tossed around.