***Official*** Commonwealth Bank Tri-Series 2007-08

[silentstriker]

Anyway, reading through the last couple of pages of utter tripe (pasag excepted) is making me tired again. Time to get out of this suddenly limp thread.

Odd that you brought up the subject in the first place.


What exactly is the difference booing someone in India, vs. booing them in Australia?

 

[PhoenixFire]

Er no its not a 'ridiculous' argument. The fact that a number of Australians (most of them moderate posters) have commented on it, is even more reason to think otherwise.

And your 'response' (such as it was) is as much a strawman as any I have seen.

What silentstriker said made perfect sense, I don't see what was wrong with it. He was saying that Ponting doesn't represent the people of Aus because he hasn't been democratically voted, which is exactly right.

 

[Son Of Coco]

not sure how many in this thread have though.. as far as I have read so far, it is been ok... And when Hayden comes up with gems like "They are probably doing all this coz they are frustrated they are not winning any matches"...


I mean, did you seriously expect ppl to not mock him after such ridiculous comments????? Gamesmanship, ****iness and arrogance are different, but he was just being a moron just for the heck of it and deserves all the slagging he gets....


And apart from making fun of him and Symonds (and why the hell did he charge down that streaker anyway, from the clip I saw, he wasn't even running towards Symonds), I think most of the Indian posters here have been excellent. As I said, don't understand what you said at all. Should rank alongside what Sanz said about "majority" of the Aussie posters in the Hayden/Harbhajan thread and it was only 4 guys....

Symonds had to move a step to the right to hit him so I think it's fair to say he was pretty close. It was a great hit too!

 

[Son Of Coco]

See, India has won many series before, but here it just wasn't about 22 players on a field with sticks and bails. The way certain players like Ponting, Hayden, Symonds and Clarke behaved, it wasn't in favour of the game. They were behaving as if they are the king of the world and the young Indian players are their butlers.

I am happy over the victory of the Indian team, but I am more happy over the fact that these 4 arrogant guys got what they deserved for their silly and immature behaviour. Australia is a great team, but these 4 had started setting low standards for the game. It's hard to imagine that they play in the same team along with guys like Hussey, Gilchrist, Lee, etc..

You left out Harbhajan.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Haha, no. Ponting doesn't represent all the people of Australia. He wasn't democratically elected to his position where you could claim something like that. He represents Cricket Australia, who picked him to do a job in a private industry. I'll be damned the day I support Harbhajan out of some messed up notion that he represents the 'people' of India. No, he represents the BCCI (a private organization). I have no ties to him, nor any reason not to boo him.


Please. That is a ridiculous argument. Just because he has the word 'Australia' or 'India' on his shirt - that doesn't mean anything.

What silentstriker said made perfect sense, I don't see what was wrong with it. He was saying that Ponting doesn't represent the people of Aus because he hasn't been democratically voted, which is exactly right.

Sorry, but to my eyes that's guff. Just because you, the taxpaying Australian*, haven't played an active hand in Ponting's inclusion in the side is no reason why he isn't one of the best eleven cricketers in Australia and thus representative of Australia as a cricketing nation. Moreover, that in itself doesn't give you the right to boo him. Boo him 'cause he's a pompous, self-righteous ass, sure, but you just can't bring yourself to say so. To cite the fact he's not met with the approval of a referendum as your alibi for not acting civilly is very poor form, and frankly a perversion of democratic values - however many selective definitions of 'representative of Australia' you slap onto your argument. One can represent Australia figuratively, too, and have people take pride in one's performance with the appropriate parochialism.

By SS's logic, you can boo anything not constitutionally ratified, because it's not representative of the Australian people in the definitive dictionary sense. If you're going to hide behind legalese and officialdom to justify yourself here, then don't take it to task re: CA's stance on Pakistan.



*I know you're not Australian, just a hypothetical.

 

[jeevan]

Getting back to cricket - Tendulkar is now top of the ICC ODI batting rankings FWIW.

Wouldnt have imagined it esp after his poor run in the league section of the CB series, but 2,3,4 are Ponting,Graeme Smith and MoYousuf so it is OK I guess.

Now that he may have gotten over his Australia/finals/chasing demons (all 3 at the same time in the first final!) - he really has no weaknesses to speak of.

(Just to stir things up - Gambhir appears to have jumped almost 40 places to 27).

 

[silentstriker]

Moreover, that in itself doesn't give you the right to boo him. Boo him 'cause he's a pompous, self-righteous ass, sure, but you just can't bring yourself to say so.

Wait a minute - that's not what I said at all. He is an ass, and thats why I said I would boo him. I have said this numerous times, so I am not sure where I am not bringing myself to say it. The original point that JHB made was that it would be less galling of Indians booed him in India, compared to those Indians booing him while they were living in Australia. I said the fact that you are living in Australia has nothing to do with it, because you are not booing Australia as a country - you are booing one man because you don't like him.

By SS's logic, you can boo anything not constitutionally ratified, because it's not representative of the Australian people in the definitive dictionary sense.

No, that's not my logic. You can boo things consitutionally ratified too, but booing an Australian captain is not the same thing as rooting against Australia in a war, or something like that. E.g, you can be an Australian and still boo the Australian captain. If I were an Indian citizen, I'd boo Harbhajan without a second thought, and I wouldn't be sacrificing my 'indianness' when doing it.

If you're going to hide behind legalese and officialdom to justify yourself here, then don't take it to task re: CA's stance on Pakistan.

I am not sure where I took CA officialdom to task on a legal ground. In fact, I think they have a legal right not to tour if they don't want to. I took CA officialdom to task on the grounds that their position makes no logical sense.

 

[adharcric]

Nah, he is worse than Ponting. Ponting, to my knowledge, is not a racist SOB. But that's besides the point. The Aussie crowds plainly don't like him (and I don't blame them),a nd they show their displeasure every time he comes to bat.

I don't understand the double standard here by some where you could only boo some players.

Bhajji, to your knowledge, is a racist SOB? How are you so sure? I certainly don't think he is. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow someone accused Sreesanth of being racist and you'd buy it in a second, just because you hate him with a passion too.

 

[Burgey]

I thought the stupid comment of the summer from commentators was int eh CB finals, when some said Dhoni shouldn't put Harbhajan on the fence coz the crowds will get at him witht he verbal abuse. Please, it weill be a sad day if a captain can't put a fielder on the boundary because of that. If it happened, would be a sad, sad day for the game.

 

[silentstriker]

Bhajji, to your knowledge, is a racist SOB? How are you so sure? I certainly don't think he is. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow someone accused Sreesanth of being racist and you'd buy it in a second, just because you hate him with a passion too.

That's because someone people deserve the benefit of the doubt by virtue of their past actions, and some don't.

 

[GotSpin]

I thought the stupid comment of the summer from commentators was int eh CB finals, when some said Dhoni shouldn't put Harbhajan on the fence coz the crowds will get at him witht he verbal abuse. Please, it weill be a sad day if a captain can't put a fielder on the boundary because of that. If it happened, would be a sad, sad day for the game.

Didn't something like that sortof happen at the MCG ages ago during an Ashes One dayer, and Warney was called in to calm the crowd.

 

[Sanz]

That's because someone people deserve the benefit of the doubt by virtue of their past actions, and some don't.

So Bhajji has a history of making racist remarks ?

 

[social]

Didn't something like that sortof happen at the MCG ages ago during an Ashes One dayer, and Warney was called in to calm the crowd.

Happened in India recently to a certain Australian

 

[jeevan]

That's because someone people deserve the benefit of the doubt by virtue of their past actions, and some don't.

What past actions of Harbhajan merit no-doubting him as a racist SOB? (as opposed to your garden variety hothead, which no one doubts he is). Has he actually committed any pre-meditated evil acts or any particular violent behavior?

Racist SOB to me evokes images of cross burnings, threatening violence, not allowing someone to mix with all people, and denying someone jobs or services at the mildest. (At the most extreme it involves slavery, pillage, murder. )

Anything in this category?

 

[honestbharani]

That's nostalgia - cricket hasn't been that way for a very very long time.



And politicians get booed too. I'm sorry but if you're a paying customer in a stadium, you have the right to show your displeasure at something or someone. That doesn't make you abusive.



I don't think those are his 'crimes'. His arrogance may actually help his batting - who knows? But I don't have to like it, and I should be able to show that within reason. I don't think either is 'wrong' in the sense you're talking about. He is a millionaire sports star, and he does what he thinks is best to do well, and we show what we think about those methods (whether its cheering Gilly or booing Ponting).



Nah, he is worse than Ponting. Ponting, to my knowledge, is not a racist SOB. But that's besides the point. The Aussie crowds plainly don't like him (and I don't blame them),a nd they show their displeasure every time he comes to bat.

I don't understand the double standard here by some where you could only boo some players.

You have any damn proof that Harbhajan is racist?????????



This is the worst comment I have seen from you and being a mod, you should know better............

 

[honestbharani]

This is one doodle that can't be undid, homeskillet.



Nah, they are still sports figures in public arenas, so its OK by me.



Well I'm fine with booing Symonds too, but obviously Harbhajan's reply was much worse.

In any case, I did not say we should abuse him - I said we should boo him (e.g, a way to voice displeasure at their arrogant ignorant asses).

What is the basis of saying Harbhajan's response was much worse????????



Again, you are showing up the fact that you are a US citizen by acting as though a racost insult (the fact is that Harbhajan is NOT racist) is the biggest crime in the world....... I agree it is bad and deplorable but so is every other personal insult thrown around in a cricket field....... For me, abusing a friend or a respected figure or a family member or a dear one is juz as bad as being thrown a racist insult. You gotta grow up and figure this out.... India does not have a racist history of the sort we have seen in the West or in Australia.. Many Indians don't react that bad if they were called "black" or "brown" by fellow Indians... We are divided by lots of things but race is not one of them... Therefore, for an Indian, a personal insult could be as bad as a racist insult. So by that logic, Ponting or Symonds or Hayden or any of those idiots who sledge that way deserve to be booed just as much as Harbhajan. They are not any better than him and he is not any worse than them......

 

[honestbharani]

That's because someone people deserve the benefit of the doubt by virtue of their past actions, and some don't.

unless u give proof, u can keep ur BS opinions to yourself... Don't come out here sprouting nonsense about cricketers if you can't back them up with proof. And NO, u believing that Aussie players can't lie is NOT proof.......

 

[honestbharani]

So Bhajji has a history of making racist remarks ?

ss has a history of jumping the gun.....

 

[social]

What is the basis of saying Harbhajan's response was much worse????????



Again, you are showing up the fact that you are a US citizen by acting as though a racost insult (the fact is that Harbhajan is NOT racist) is the biggest crime in the world....... I agree it is bad and deplorable but so is every other personal insult thrown around in a cricket field....... For me, abusing a friend or a respected figure or a family member or a dear one is juz as bad as being thrown a racist insult. You gotta grow up and figure this out.... India does not have a racist history of the sort we have seen in the West or in Australia.. Many Indians don't react that bad if they were called "black" or "brown" by fellow Indians... We are divided by lots of things but race is not one of them... Therefore, for an Indian, a personal insult could be as bad as a racist insult. So by that logic, Ponting or Symonds or Hayden or any of those idiots who sledge that way deserve to be booed just as much as Harbhajan. They are not any better than him and he is not any worse than them......

Unbelievable bs

 

[R_D]

Odd that you brought up the subject in the first place.


What exactly is the difference booing someone in India, vs. booing them in Australia?

yeah thats the point i don't get... what difference does it make. If the guy's behaved like an absolute **** than you can boo him if you want. Whether you do it at your home ground or away shouldn't matter.