Hayden calls Harbhajan an obnoxious weed

[jeevan]

Apart from india have any other team really troubled Aussies recently ???

It is hard to escape the corelation between Symonds' antics and the opposition doing well - atleast in the incidents that he's initiated in this series.

 

[kwigibo]

sorry wont like to see tendulkar name with him......

Name it Tendulkar\Gilly

Fitting, Gilly did actually win a series in India as Captain, unlike the others mentioned. Him or Bill Lawry, but everyone lately seems a little spiteful towards old Bill and his overt partialities.

 

[masterblaster]

Unprofessional comments by Matthew Hayden. Harbhajan isn't the nicest guy in the world but to do it in public is just not acceptable. The horrible thing has been some of the reactions of the Australian fans (well with sideshowtim it was very predictable as Australia can do no wrong in his eyes).

Just for that I think Harbhajan's going to end up with figures of 3/40 off his 10 overs and pitch in an annoying 25-30 runs with the bat just to annoy the Australians even more. You do not want to fire up Harbhajan because when he's fired up he produces his best cricket.

 

[irfan]

I can't help but feel that there are some underlying issues out there, that'd led to this whole sledging ruckus to cause such animosity between Australia and India. I mean sure there is no denying that Harbhajhan is an absolute tool, no rational Indian or Australian supporter would disagree with that, but there really wasn't any need for Hayden to call him out publicly. Particularly in times of strained relations between the two sides.

I still feel there's very much a grey area in what can be termed as acceptable when it comes to sledging. Basically in Indian domestic cricket sledging isn't anywhere near as prevalent as there is in Australian domestic cricket and when these Indian players get into the national teams and are being constantly put off their game by jibes and barbs from the Australian players it can be unsettling and belittling. Now what may be termed as 'gamesmanship' by Australian players is simply termed 'verbal abuse' to Indian players and that's why they 'whinge and complain' to the umpires because they feel that this so called mental intimidation and shouldn't be part of the game.

But from an Australian POV, mental intimidation always has been a part of the game and their mindset is that this 'gamesmanship' is perfectly acceptable as they have been doing it throughout schools cricket, state cricket without any apparent qualms and this has spilled over to the international stage.

In India's previous tours to Australia, the Indian players have generally been mild mannered and ignoring any onfield slurs (i.e Dravid, Laxman, Kumble & Tendulkar) and letting their cricket skills do the talking. But now the younger brigade (Harbhajan, Sreesanth, D Kartik) feel that they shouldn't have to be constantly belittled and put down and feel the need to retaliate. The problem is they haven't learnt to sledge back appropriately and their comebacks seem to the Australians as a bit over the top and downright stupid. This is why I'm glad that Dhoni wants his team to learn appropriate sledging as it's an important mental attribute to have when facing the Australians.

I think a ban to sledging is a bit of an overreaction and is such an ingrained part of the Australians physche (sp?) that it would be too hard to cut and police the verbal noise to zero. Only cricket ability related sledges should be accepted with no abhorrent language. Maybe (I know this may seem a bit drastic) if you make all the onfield players wear little microphones they will be a lot more select with their words. But you'd have to filter it in such a way that whatever they say will go straight to the match referee's room and not affect the television broadcast. Atleast this will eliminate all this 'he said, she said' crap.
Atleast, this way the match ref would have some serious evidence for guilty offenders and an appropriate ban (without appeal) can be meted out.

Thoughts, CW'ers ????

 

[TheEpic]

I'd rather be obnoxious than a ****
I'd rather be obnoxious than a ****
Yeah i'd rather be obnoxious
Rather be obnoxious
Rather be obnoxious than a ****.

Repeat.

 

[sledger]

It can go to court ,if harbhajan and the BCCI wants it to.
Why can it not go to court?What will be the outcome is a different issue.

Because you cannot sue someone because they called you a name, for example, were I to write down on here "Cevno is an obnoxious weed", you have no grounds to sue me whatsoever, similarly Harbajan has no grounds upon which he can sue Hayden.

 

[Ikki]

How is Sunny's remarks about the Jamaican crowd is a racist one ? He didn't single out any particular race there, poor choice of words, obviously, but racist, dont think so. Here is the comment in full :-

"To call the crowd a 'crowd' in Jamaica is a misnomer. It should be called a 'mob'. The way they shrieked and howled every time Holding bowled was positively horrible. They encouraged him with shouts of 'Kill him, Maaaan!' 'Hit im Maan!', 'Knock his head off Mike!' All this proved beyond a shadow of doubt that these people still belonged to the jungles and forests, instead of a civilised country.... "

He also said of Lloyd's captaincy :- "It was not great captaincy, it was barbarism."

What? How is that not racist?

 

[Ikki]

Hayden is a moron.

Hayden can be a moron - although I disagree - but he is spot on here.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Very true.

 

[Ikki]

If anyone comes out looking bad out of this Interview then it is Hayden. I have been a great fan of him and very disappointed to hear those comments. Obviously he has lost a fan.

Also the majority aussie reaction in this thread has been a disgrace.

Because I agree with Hayden? I have not seen much from Harbhajan to consider otherwise. Hayden should have been more sensitive due to the media frenzy or the backlash of some, but his words are true. He [Harbhajan] is an obnoxious weed.

 

[vic_orthdox]

It's just so tedious. Don't understand how Hayden thought it would be at all appropriate to say it, either.

 

[sledger]

All this proved beyond a shadow of doubt that these people still belonged to the jungles and forests, instead of a civilised country.... "

Tbh that could very easily (and understandably) be construed as a racist remark.

 

[biased indian]

Hayden charged for 'weed' Comment

Cricket Australia has charged Matthew Hayden with breaching its code of conduct for referring to Harbhajan Singh as an "obnoxious weed" on a radio station on Tuesday.

A media release issued by CA said Hayden was charged under Rule 9 of CA's Code of Behaviour, which prohibits detrimental public comment. CA will appoint a Code of Conduct Commissioner from its panel and convene a hearing at 8pm local time on Wednesday.

Earlier CA had assured the Indian board that it would investigate Hayden's remarks. "Mr Sutherland [the Cricket Australia chief executive] wrote to me that he is aware of the comment and is dealing with it," Niranjan Shah, the BCCI secretary told Cricinfo. Shah has asked the Indian team manager Vimal Soni not to react to Hayden's comments

 

[sledger]

hardly surprising really.

 

[Cevno]

Because I agree with Hayden? I have not seen much from Harbhajan to consider otherwise. Hayden should have been more sensitive due to the media frenzy or the backlash of some, but his words are true. He [Harbhajan] is an obnoxious weed.

Harbhajan is not the nicest guy but then so are not hayden and symonds.

Haydent is a " big idiotic ape" and symonds a "a arrogant chimpanzee".How would they feel if
harbhajan called them that in public?
What is really irking me here that if the bcci can issue specific guidelines to sreesanth and bhajjit to calm down, why cannot the CA?
And yet bcci is accused of doing what they want.

 

[duffer]

The irony of Hayden calling someone obnoxious anyone?

If you had to hand out an award for biggest wanker in cricket Hayden and Roy would be joining Bhaj on the shortlist without a doubt.

 

[sledger]

Haydent is a " big idiotic ape" and symonds a "a arrogant chimpanzee".

careful mate, getting onto dodgy ground there...

 

[Bracken]

not really.

Any good lawyer can tear his "I m telling the truth"bit to pieces..

And btw, that defense applicable when Bhajji calls Symonds a monkey????????

Nope. If Harbhajan called Symonds a disagreeable, loudmouthed, uncultured twit, I would suggest that he wouldn't have been too far away from the mark. Racism is a whole other issue, though, as much as some may want to claim otherwise.

Frankly, this is yet another episode that demonstrates why I have completely lost interest in this series. The actual performances on the field are a distant second to the sniping and media power plays that are being conducted behind the scenes (by BOTH teams and their players), and the general level of douchebaggery surrounding this issue (again, by supporters of BOTH sides) on this forum is why I have pretty much lost interest in reading the threads here.

This is yet another example- my post was a throwaway line intended as a way of making light of the plainly ******** suggestion that there could be any sort of defamation action, and simply because I criticised a member of the Indian team (who IS an obnoxious knob, by the way- and the fact that there are others from both teams who are just as bad doesn't excuse that fact) you decided to whale in and justify what, if made, is undoubtedly a remark with racial connotations.

There isn't a player on either team that will emerge from this series with an enhanced public reputation, and very, very few that even have a chance of maintaining their public image to any but their diehard fans. Not for nothing, but the same rings true for posters on this forum, and this forum as a whole.

 

[The Sean]

The aussies start hating anyone who does well against them.
Harbhajan won a famous series against then they hate him since and now they are starting to hate ishant sharma too.They even had quarrels with wasim and waqar when they bowled well.

How would you explain the Australians' very public admiration for Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman?

 

[Cevno]

careful mate, getting onto dodgy ground there...

Why?
You do not find a abnoxious weed offensive but you find this offensive?
A bit of hypocrisy i sense.

 

[sledger]

Why?
You do not find a abnoxious weed offensive but you find this offensive?
A bit of hypocrisy i sense.

absolutely not, the comments you made about Symonds could very easily be construed as racist, calling someone a weed is obviously derogatory and has severe negative connotations, but calling symonds a chimp or whatever is pretty vulgar, how you can draw comparisons between the two is beyond me.