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IPL criticisms

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Goughy said:
However, I dont quite see its purpose or relevance unless its prime aim is to kill the ICL.
Oh, I see the aim. Surely, thats one of the aims, but people who shelled out $100m of their own money have their own ideas....

BCCI's biggest complaint is that they can't play against themselves, so need the other boards. If they can keep the money within their organization, they can increase their earnings five fold. This is how they plan to start.

BCCI is corrupt, petty, childish and ineffective.....but one thing they know how to do is to generate money for themselves. They didn't go into this stupidly, I think it'll definitely be a success long term. A recent poll showed that 70% of the 'average' fans already listed T20 as their favorite version of cricket.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Apart from being massive sea changes in the way cricket is organized & increasing players' earning power, obviously.
I don't think the IPL is providing a massive sea-change in the way cricket's organised, though. Nor, really, did WSC. WSC marginalised the proper international game for a couple of years, but once Nine got cricket, the international game was harmonised again. Equally, I think once those behind the IPL get their window, the international game will be able to go on harmoneously again. Indeed, as I said earlier, without the international game the IPL cannot exist. Its whole appeal is the presence of ready-established stars.
The IPL is nominally sanctioned in a way the WSC wasn't, but I doubt the ICC is really that enamoured by the idea. Rather that (with typical bravery) they don't want to risk pissing off their main revenue source.
It was said a little while ago (by Matthew Engel) that "it is about time someone challenged the ICC's authority". If we have to sacrifice India vs Bangladesh for IPL, I personally couldn't care less. In fact I'm pleased - one meaningless contest that adds arduous things to the schedule is replaced by another meaningless contest that is basically, as I suggested earlier, a working (for 10x your normal wage) holiday for the players.
I don't think anyone is suggesting cricketers earning more money is a bad thing either; someone is making money out of the sport & I'm personally more comfortable with the blokes who actually perform getting it. The problem may come if the IPL (a division of the BCCI, essentially) starts to act with the intransigence shown recently by that august body. As I suggested earlier, the players will follow the money. The worst case scenario is that this could become the "major league" of cricket, with tests & ODIs being the equivalent of the minors where the up-and-comers compete to show off their talents.
So long as the players continue to value Tests and ODIs above all, that's extremely unlikely. Equally, it's unlikely provided efforts are made to ensure the IPL and international cricket coexist harmoneously.

Heck, I even have a very small hope that maybe the IPL might do away with the need for international Twenty20 cricket.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
African players come to the EPL because oh my god, they have historical allegiances to Chelsea.

Brumby, with all due respect, you are the epitome of negativity here. You have to give some thing like this time. There is a huge fan base in India and team loyalties will come. I for one am already gunning for the Kolkata Red Chillies.

The way it is encroaching on international cricket is another point which people raise. Give the IPL a window or you will shoot yourself in the foot, ICC.
 
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Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
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Red Chillies is just the name of the company which has bought the team btw. The name would suit the team very aptly though given the likes of Ganguly and Akhtar in the team.
 

KiWiNiNjA

International Coach
Whatever you say, I am supporting Kolkata. Not because of the name, but because I love the batting line-up of Gayle, McCullum, Ponting, Ganguly. Not to mention Gul/Akhtar and Sharma.
 
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BoyBrumby

Englishman
So what do you think of people from other countries playing NBA, EPL, NFL, etc? You wouldn't want those mercenaries playing in a domestic tournament, would you? Of course its a fiscal arrangement for the players...who cares?

Will they score runs and take wickets? Yes.
Will people enjoy watching? We'll see.

If both of those are true, then its cricket just like any other form, as far as I'm concerned. I'm seeing it because I want to see some of the best go up against each other (Ponting vs. Lee, Kumble vs. Tendulkar, Murali vs. Sangakarra and things like that). I hope I'll enjoy it, and if it entertains the public, which is the point of every sport, it's good enough for me.

Even if its bad, I'll take these games over international ODIs and T20s anyway, as these are structured and all the clubs are on a more even footing.
Couldn't give a monkey's chuff about the NBA or NFL & know squat about them, so can't comment. As for the EPL, non-English players' involvement there doesn't impinge on them playing for their nation teams (officially at least); there's a chance the IPL might. At the very least it will be dictating the terms for the ICC now.

I'm not actually anti the tournament tho for all that; I'm just not really emotionally invested in it. Hell, if it's on I'll probably watch it.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
So what do you think of people from other countries playing NBA, EPL, NFL, etc? You wouldn't want those mercenaries playing in a domestic tournament, would you? Of course its a fiscal arrangement for the players...who cares?

Will they score runs and take wickets? Yes.
Will people enjoy watching? We'll see.

If both of those are true, then its cricket just like any other form, as far as I'm concerned. I'm seeing it because I want to see some of the best go up against each other (Ponting vs. Lee, Kumble vs. Tendulkar, Murali vs. Sangakarra and things like that). I hope I'll enjoy it, and if it entertains the public, which is the point of every sport, it's good enough for me.

Even if its bad, I'll take these games over international ODIs and T20s anyway, as these are structured and all the clubs are on a more even footing.
If you want to see the best from one country go up against each other, this is not the format.

It wouldnt matter whether it was a home domestic competition, the fact is that 20/20 basically involves the batsmen swinging for the rafters on tailor-made tracks with the bowler severely restricted in the length of his spell and field placings.

If you want to see them up against each other, take the all too rare opportunity to watch say the Pura Cup - that's the closest guys like Lee and Ponting will ever come to seriously testing each other out

Lee can bowl extended spells with a red ball and get the chance to work Ponting over with a variety of field placings.

Ponting could defend if required and grind Lee into the ground if necessary

Having these guys on opposing sides is simply hype for the competition as it hardly involves a test of their full repertoire of skills.

That being said, it will be entertaining and undoubtedly attract more people to the game.

Furthermore, it will give previously underpaid cricketers the chance to earn a good quid and also enable guys who couldnt hope to make it as test cricketers the chance to make a living

Just a shame that it took the ICL to get the BCCI and other members of the establishment off their arse
 

TT Boy

Hall of Fame Member
I didn't suggest people won't be entertained by it. Clearly lots of wealthy institutions are banking on that to reap the rewards of their investments. That doesn't mean it has merit in itself tho. People find professional wrestling entertaining.

When a player walks out with the three lions on his chest or a baggy green cap on his head one might reasonably think he's fulfilling a long-held ambition & that he's joining a noble fraternity with history and tradition. He may be handsomely rewarded for his efforts, but that's only as it should be. If that same player turns his back on international cricket (and it's already being suggested that some of the NZ players will miss the early stages of their tour up here) to play for the Mumbai Mercenaries, it sort of looks more of a solely fiscal arrangement to me.



Apart from being massive sea changes in the way cricket is organized & increasing players' earning power, obviously.

The IPL is nominally sanctioned in a way the WSC wasn't, but I doubt the ICC is really that enamoured by the idea. Rather that (with typical bravery) they don't want to risk pissing off their main revenue source.

I don't think anyone is suggesting cricketers earning more money is a bad thing either; someone is making money out of the sport & I'm personally more comfortable with the blokes who actually perform getting it. The problem may come if the IPL (a division of the BCCI, essentially) starts to act with the intransigence shown recently by that august body. As I suggested earlier, the players will follow the money. The worst case scenario is that this could become the "major league" of cricket, with tests & ODIs being the equivalent of the minors where the up-and-comers compete to show off their talents.
Unfortunately will live in age where the likes of Saqlain Mushtaq hold ‘dreams’ of representing England. And one hazards a guess when he was growing up in Lahore his lifelong ambition was not to wear the three lions.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
If you want to see the best from one country go up against each other, this is not the format.
Maybe not, but until something better comes along, I'm excited about this.

BoyBrumby said:
Couldn't give a monkey's chuff about the NBA or NFL & know squat about them, so can't comment. As for the EPL, non-English players' involvement there doesn't impinge on them playing for their nation teams (officially at least); there's a chance the IPL might.
How? It's written into their contracts that not only are they excused for international games, but for things like training camps and such as well. I would venture to say that the national teams are given much more importance in the IPL than in the EPL.
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
How? It's written into their contracts that not only are they excused for international games, but for things like training camps and such as well. I would venture to say that the national teams are given much more importance in the IPL than in the EPL.
I thought I'd read that some of the NZ contingent had already looked at missing part of their English tour?
Linky.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
I thought I'd read that some of the NZ contingent had already looked at missing part of their English tour?
Linky.
No one is going to miss a Test match. If a home board does not release a player, they cannot play.

I am not sure if EPL places that type of restrictions, for example.
 

social

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Maybe not, but until something better comes along, I'm excited about this.
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It'll be fun but something better happened in the last few weeks - remember that short Indian bloke with about 40 tons playing against a guy you recently anointed as the world's best quick whilst both were playing for teams they actually had a smidgeon of allegiance to
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
FIFA regulations mean that Premiership clubs cannot stop players playing for their countries
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
IPL has happened too fast and without too much planning. It definitely started with an aim to kill ICL and still that is one of its major objectives and it is never a good thing. Whatever has happened so far, hasn't happened because players/boards have wanted to do this but because BCCI has made them do it displaying its money power, again never a good thing.

IPL franchises do not seem to have any directions, as evident from their team selection. We can try to compare IPL with NFL/NBA/Soccer franchises but there simply is no comparison at all. These leagues are run by organizations who are built/designed to run sports in a very professional way whereas all IPL has displayed so far is the power of money. Players are who play for NFL/NBA etc come through a process of mutual agreement and not sold like sold like slaves/prostitutes in a Bazaar.It clearly was the lowest point for me as a cricket fan and I was pained to see my favorite players being sold like slaves/prostitutes in a Bazaar.


I was shocked and very disheartened to see players auctioned like that.

This league has the potential to destroy the traditional game of cricket not because of its format but because of BCCI which has shown complete lack of judgment/sensitiveness to the traditional formats of cricket while planning this. BCCI has also shown very little respect to other boards/governing bodies of cricket. It is their bullish way of doing things that is very alarming and scary.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
It'll be fun but something better happened in the last few weeks - remember that short Indian bloke with about 40 tons playing against a guy you recently anointed as the world's best quick whilst both were playing for teams they actually had a smidgeon of allegiance to
Who cares who had which allegiance? I want to see cricket - don't give a crap if they like it or not. Many of them are borderline mentally inept anyway - I couldn't give a fig about their loyalties or opinions. Play or don't play, that's what I care about.
 

jeevan

International 12th Man
1. Raison d'etre of IPL is that there are discretionary entertainment dollars, to the tune of $200-250 million per year, in India. It either goes to yet a few more random starlets and pop singers or some of to some folks that we on this board care about.

Only Brett Lee, Sachin Tendulkar and a couple of others were going to milk that cow either way. This way there are about 70 more who partake of these riches.

2. IPL was put together in a hurry and without too much careful planning. However, the planning skills of the people who run this game are such that if they had taken 2 years to chart this thing out, it would;ve been different but hard to hope that outcome would've been better (not saying that there are no better ways of doing it)
 

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
1)Another point which is being missed is that if IPL is a success and there plans to create different divisions and expand actually succeed in the long term ,it will help to expand the popularity of cricket.
Just like in football if say a talent is discovered from a non-test country who goes on to become a top player in the IPL and earns big bucks then people in that country will start to take an better interest in playing the game .
In it's current state with nation only cricket i do not know how cricket can expand.Unless a country has a relatively succesful team ,people will not have a idol in the sport and will not take interest in the sport.If people do not follow the sport then nobody would want to invest in it and with lack of expenses good players will be lost.Just look at how interest in footie in windies soared after dwight yorke .
Just look at kenya ,the suji brothers were decent bowlers,tikolo was a good batsmen,odumbe was decent .but what did they get for it?Nothing
They could not turn proffesional as they could not make ends meet by playing cricket.But say in the future if the ipl expands to two divisions of 8 each hen perhaps some franchise would give a contract to these kind of players too ,so they can show their talent and earn money too to feed their families.Taibu this season is a good example of that;.
A Similar league is in the pipeline in paksitan and may be viable in australia and england too which will meam limitation of talent in big test countries and lookout for cheaper talent in smaller nations.
Cricket is a team sport and unlike in tennis and unlike other individual sport where you can show your indivdual talent without depending on anyone.In cricket you need a team platform to showcase your potential.This may not be the case in many countries.
This ma sound far fetched at the moment but depending on the success of the league then in 10-15 years Ipl may have played it's part in spreading cricket all arround just as happended in football by the club game.
Just look at this story-
http://blogs.cricinfo.com/tourdiaries/archives/2008/02/sachins_malaysi.php

2)Even in countries like new zealand and west indies this may give avenue to players to earn money so they can become full time proffesionals and concentrate on cricket.So which means craig macmillan may not have to be a salesman despite being a top class cricketer.

3)It helps indian domestic cricketers the most.There have been many domsetic cricketers who have just missed out on selection for team india for some reason or the other over the years and as a result have not earned the big bucks and their future has not been secure.This gives them oppurtunity-
a)To play with the best in the game and to learn from them.
b)To get recognition in country.Recognition is something cricketers play for and i can just imagine how it must feel for a cricketer who ended his career in domestic cricket despite performing well did not get a fair chance to play dor the country.He is probably not known by the millions of people and advertisers who are asking autographs from the guy who he missed out too.
c)To compare oneselves with the best in tense situations and in front of crowds.
d)Despite not playing for the country,earning decent buck from the game you love.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
Who cares who had which allegiance? I want to see cricket - don't give a crap if they like it or not. Many of them are borderline mentally inept anyway - I couldn't give a fig about their loyalties or opinions. Play or don't play, that's what I care about.
That's the American in you :p
 

Cevno

Hall of Fame Member
FIFA regulations mean that Premiership clubs cannot stop players playing for their countries
I seem to remember certain players being allegedly injured during an international week and then magically appearing for their clubs two days later>:laugh:
Kaka and ronaldinho withdrew from the copa america last summer.
 

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