KiWiNiNjA
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Whether he gives a ****, thats another question.
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**Official** England in New Zealand
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Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
It truly alarms me that there honestly does seem to be serious consensus to replace a batsman (albeit a totally out-of-nick one) with a bowler.
Wright for Bopara would make more sense (and even then, Wright playing ODIs is crazy).
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Thing is, Anderson's World Cup performances were drastically improved by substandard sides. If you look at ODI-class sides only, he was abysmal bar, IIRR, 1 game.
Anderson's figures in the summer of 2007 looked quite good, but in truth he was grossly flattered, and bowled particularly well just 3 times out of 10, once against West Indies and in the First and Seventh games against India. And he's bowled abysmally in the ODIs this winter, even if he did go nicely in those meaningless 13-a-side games.
FBU
International Debutant
In half of the matches he played his economy was 4.20, 2.90, 4.00, 3.00, 3.80, 3.75, 2.87, 2.30, 3.49, 3.93, 3.11, 3.75, 4.37, 3.30 so I wouldn't say he played well only 3 times out of 10.
With regard to the meaningless games I am saying he bowled better than the other bowlers in the squad.
How did he manage to get into the top 15 in the ODI bowling rankings?
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garypleavin
Cricket Spectator
The ICC Rankings are just an extremely comprehensive form guide and are heavily flawed. Despite this I agree with you completely on James Anderson. James anderson is a match winning bowler and in the summer against an incredible Indian Batting Line up was the best bowler by far (discounting Flintoff's occasional appearances). He is very good economy-wise, can swing the ball at pace, he causes top-order batsmen problems and is an excellent death bowler.
He should definetely play tomorrow ahead of Tremlett who is overrated by many especially in ODI cricket.
Pup Clarke
Cricketer Of The Year
FBU
International Debutant
In the CB series against NZ/Aus 4 matches 8 wickets at 20.63.
Anderson isn't the finished article but he is never going to be if he gets dropped every five minutes. Had Mustard and Shah taken those catches the game would have had a different look. He got McCullum when he was on 0.
Funny that batsmen can have a bad series but they keep their places.
Bell
Sri Lanka - 14.00
NZ - 2.50
Collingwood
Sri Lanka - 17.00
NZ - 6.50
simmy
International Regular
Bell is a test player.... He will end up being the next Michael Vaughan imo.In the CB series against NZ/Aus 4 matches 8 wickets at 20.63.
Anderson isn't the finished article but he is never going to be if he gets dropped every five minutes. Had Mustard and Shah taken those catches the game would have had a different look. He got McCullum when he was on 0.
Funny that batsmen can have a bad series but they keep their places.
Bell
Sri Lanka - 14.00
NZ - 2.50
Collingwood
Sri Lanka - 17.00
NZ - 6.50
Also, I think his selection and general conservative "correct" batting puts more pressure on KP.
simmy
International Regular
http://uk.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/NZXX0003
Weather doesnt seem too threatening according to the forecast. Does anyone know why the betfair punters are making ENG the favourites?!?
Weather doesnt seem too threatening according to the forecast. Does anyone know why the betfair punters are making ENG the favourites?!?
Neil Pickup
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Because they are English, most probably. Suggest you take their money.
Dick Rockett
International Vice-Captain
After the initial odds are posted by the bookmaker, the odds are subsequently affected by the bets placed by the punters. So, if a lot of people have put money on England, that will drive down their price.
You see it a lot here, in that NZ sides in the Australian leagues (football, basketball, league, etc) often pay much lower odds than they should because a lot of kiwis put money on them out of fandom, rather than common sense.
Neil Pickup
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Betfair is an exchange.
Dick Rockett
International Vice-Captain
Okay, I don't know what that is. Only the government is allowed to run betting agencies here, so we only have the one.
Smudge
Hall of Fame Member
You bet against other punters and Betfair takes a commission from the bets.
Betfair are trying to get into the NZ market. I hope they succeed...
TT Boy
Hall of Fame Member
Only 5%!
Although, there never seems to be much in the way of value on the site, most of the guys are fairly astute and regardless that New Zealand are currently winning the series, it isn’t blind patriotism which dictates such odds but the fact that New Zealand are not particularly good and no one puts money on them, ever.
BoyBrumby
Englishman
Off up the wooden hill to Bedfordshire soon, but will try to catch an hour before work if I can be arsed.
I'm curious to see what team we stick out as cricinfo has Dimi in for Bopara (which seems a no-brainer) & Tremlett in for Anderson, which doesn't. Anderson looks out of nick, but Tremlett isn't an ODI bowler IMHO. His natural length is just short of a good length which he doesn't seem to alter much and hasn't shown much variation of pace either when I've seen him (not to mention he's infinitely worse in the field than the athletic Anderson). If McCullum or Slim have their eyes in it could be slaughter.
The Guardain also suggested Tredwell for Swann, but that strikes me as harsh on the latter, given he's hardly bowled in the two games so far. He got a bit of tap, but he was far from alone in that and his decent comeback tour in SL should give him a little credit in the bank.
I'm curious to see what team we stick out as cricinfo has Dimi in for Bopara (which seems a no-brainer) & Tremlett in for Anderson, which doesn't. Anderson looks out of nick, but Tremlett isn't an ODI bowler IMHO. His natural length is just short of a good length which he doesn't seem to alter much and hasn't shown much variation of pace either when I've seen him (not to mention he's infinitely worse in the field than the athletic Anderson). If McCullum or Slim have their eyes in it could be slaughter.
The Guardain also suggested Tredwell for Swann, but that strikes me as harsh on the latter, given he's hardly bowled in the two games so far. He got a bit of tap, but he was far from alone in that and his decent comeback tour in SL should give him a little credit in the bank.
simmy
International Regular
What?! One that spins?