***Official*** Commonwealth Bank Tri-Series 2007-08

[JASON]

I was really starting to get depressed and thought that we were only there to make up the numbers for the 3rd team...until they pulled out this win...some relief...Truncated games are harder for Teams batting first...And India were unlucky in a way because of the interruption...but I won't complain and take this anti depressant win over India happily...

Come Friday ....may be another bashing on the cards....

 

[Nate]

I was at uni all day so didn't see a ball bowled.

Was Sreesanth as bad as his ridiculously horrible figures suggest he was?

No in a word. Was a bit unlucky against Jayasuriya, and could've changed his pace a bit more, but was really just one of those days.

Despite really struggling early on and looking all at sea against the new ball? Granted he scored plenty of runs and basically woke the game for Sri Lanka, but he didn't look too flash at the start. Did well near the end though, as there wasn't a great deal wrong with the bowling for the most part.

That in essence is Dilshan's game though. And I absolutely loved it. He kept trying for that pull/hook shot until it worked for him and Sharma's length meant there was a little less risk in doing so. My favourite thing about it was that his defence was really good in difficult conditions. And then whenever it was short he went for it, which against that bowling was really hard to do.

Was actually one of my favourite innings I've watched lately. His second cover drive off Pathan's (?) slower-ball was one of the best shots I have ever seen. No pace to work with, not quite a half-volley, but he timed it so very well.

WAG.

 

[Nate]

Was excellent to see Jayawardene make some runs aswell.

 

[dinu23]

Srilanka have been very lucky with rain this tournament.It has rained at just about the right times for them this tournament in two games now.
After watching this game i am pretty confident that if this tournament remained rain free from here on and had full 50 over games then India and Australia will be contesting the finals.

India today did not today do too much wrong in the circumstances except sreesanth's bowling and lack of acceleration between 16-21 overs in the given circumstances.
Duckworth lewis just did the team in and put srilanka in a position where they were left a with a target where there batsmen on this good pitch could swing their bat at anything wiyhout much pressure.

give me a break.... if the original target was given to the lankans the asking rate would have been less.

 

[Cevno]

give me a break.... if the original target was given to the lankans the asking rate would have been less.

But the no of overs to mantain the asking rate would have been more.
300 at the rate of 6 per over is more difficult than even 160 from 20 overs at 8.00 runs per over.

 

[silentstriker]

Srilanka have been very lucky with rain this tournament.It has rained at just about the right times for them this tournament in two games now.
After watching this game i am pretty confident that if this tournament remained rain free from here on and had full 50 over games then India and Australia will be contesting the finals.

India today did not today do too much wrong in the circumstances except sreesanth's bowling and lack of acceleration between 16-21 overs in the given circumstances.
Duckworth lewis just did the team in and put srilanka in a position where they were left a with a target where there batsmen on this good pitch could swing their bat at anything wiyhout much pressure.

The duckworth lewis system is fine.

 

[Neil Pickup]

But the no of overs to mantain the asking rate would have been more.
300 at the rate of 6 per over is more difficult than even 160 from 20 overs at 8.00 runs per over.

What would you have liked to see set off 21 overs, then?

154 off 21 isn't a massive task: T20 has shown us that - but equally it's shown us that 195/5 off 29 isn't a particularly great achievement, not when 200 in 20 is more than doable.

Sri Lanka effectively lost the first eight overs of a 29-over innings, so had 41 runs given to them: after eight overs of India's 29-over innings, they had 49/1. So by that argument, Sri Lanka could claim they were hard done by...

154 was perfectly fair.

 

[Cevno]

What would you have liked to see set off 21 overs, then?

154 off 21 isn't a massive task: T20 has shown us that - but equally it's shown us that 195/5 off 29 isn't a particularly great achievement, not when 200 in 20 is more than doable.

Sri Lanka effectively lost the first eight overs of a 29-over innings, so had 41 runs given to them: after eight overs of India's 29-over innings, they had 49/1. So by that argument, Sri Lanka could claim they were hard done by...

154 was perfectly fair.

So if a team scores 150 in its first 30 overs and then scores 140 in the next 20 and the target in 50 overs is 290 then according to your logic if it rains for the duration of play to cost 30 overs then the team battiing second should get a target of 140 in 20 overs?

On top of this the team bowling first's best bowler gets full quota of overs so more wicket taking chances for them in contrast to second bowling team .as in today's game malinga,vaas bowled 6 and sharma,pathan bowled 4.
What about pressure?
195 in 29 overs on this pitch was a par score and the out of form srilanka batting side would have had to play a smart gameplan to reach the target instead of coming out and slogging from bowl one.It would have meant also that india would have got more room to attack specially with more overs from ishant.There was no way jayasuriya and dilshan would have played like this if they had to score and mantain it for longer and even if they did after sanga got out there would have been more pressure on srilanka.
When you know that the target is 154 then you know even if you are say 100-5 after 12-13
overs you can win but at the start chasing 196 you are 100-5 then you can be got under pressure(specially the out of -form srilankan batsmen) so at the start you are reluctant to take risks and are under pressure.
Even the bowlers had to go on defensive here after two bad overs from sreesanth but if the target had been more then India could have stayed agressive and had a better chance of recovering from the damage.

 

[Cevno]

The duckworth lewis system is fine.

I do not think it is fine at this day and age specially with the t20 internationals coming into play.
The system was based on old data around 10+ years ago and uses 235 as average score for calculations which in this day and age of 300+ scores being chased down is not good enough.I read somwhere that the average score last year in odi's was 268 or more.
I think the ICC needs to probably try and keep updating the method in a dynamic situation and give people incentives to discover better softwares and methods.

 

[jeevan]

I do not think it is fine at this day and age specially with the t20 internationals coming into play.
The system was based on old data around 10+ years ago and uses 235 as average score for calculations which in this day and age of 300+ scores being chased down is not good enough.I read somwhere that the average score last year in odi's was 268 or more.
I think the ICC needs to probably try and keep updating the method in a dynamic situation and give people incentives to discover better softwares and methods.

Hard to believe that yesterday's match would've been any different with SL chasing 195 in 29 or 267 in 50. Indian bowlers werent able to take wickets, and with most batting lineups chasing 6 or 7 rpo is no big deal if you are not able to do that. If they chased down the score with 4 or 5 wickets down or even if there were lots of chances etc, maybe one could've had room for interpretation, but India was solidly outplayed yesterday.

On a different note: what exactly is Yuvraj doing in the team atm, if he cant be brought on at 4 or 5. Giving him an extended run is different than shielding him (by having Pathan at #3 the earlier match and by having RS & MSD bat above him in this one). The latter nominally keeps him in the team, but is not an expression of confidence to get him back in form.If we believe in him, let him bat his way out of the slump. If we dont, let him do it offline since there are plenty if candidates who deserve a look-in (Tiwary, Praveen etc).

The uninteded consequences of rigging Yuvraj into the test team are continuing, IMHO. (messed up other batsmen like Dravid, in tests too).

 

[western_warrior]

again im affraid the indians where giving away easy singles in the middle overs to a small total. you just cant afford to set the feild back on the fence and play conservative when your trying to hold them to that total.it looked too easy, im a big fan of dhoni but today it was a really poor effort with the way he used his bowlers then set his feild, im sure he will take alot away from this series, and hope he does. im quietly glad shri lanka won and hope they continue the trend.....lol they beat big brother india.... i wonder if thats how kiwis feel when they beat australia?

 

[haroon510]

great match.. and i specifically enjoyed the over of sreesanth in which he was hit for 23 runs by Sanath..

i would like to see more of this fire wark from sanath and i would enjoy it more if the bowler would be Sreesanth..

 

[Cevno]

In d/L system affected matches so far 31 have been one by team batting second and 18 by batting first.

 

[JBH001]

Jeez. Cevno sure does = sour grapes.

 

[JBH001]

again im affraid the indians where giving away easy singles in the middle overs to a small total. you just cant afford to set the feild back on the fence and play conservative when your trying to hold them to that total.it looked too easy, im a big fan of dhoni but today it was a really poor effort with the way he used his bowlers then set his feild, im sure he will take alot away from this series, and hope he does. im quietly glad shri lanka won and hope they continue the trend.....lol they beat big brother india.... i wonder if thats how kiwis feel when they beat australia?

Nah, not really mate. I can say that as an ex Sri Lankan and as a Kiwi.

Its quite a bit different to be frank.

 

[Neil Pickup]

So if a team scores 150 in its first 30 overs and then scores 140 in the next 20 and the target in 50 overs is 290 then according to your logic if it rains for the duration of play to cost 30 overs then the team battiing second should get a target of 140 in 20 overs?

On top of this the team bowling first's best bowler gets full quota of overs so more wicket taking chances for them in contrast to second bowling team .as in today's game malinga,vaas bowled 6 and sharma,pathan bowled 4.
What about pressure?
195 in 29 overs on this pitch was a par score and the out of form srilanka batting side would have had to play a smart gameplan to reach the target instead of coming out and slogging from bowl one.It would have meant also that india would have got more room to attack specially with more overs from ishant.There was no way jayasuriya and dilshan would have played like this if they had to score and mantain it for longer and even if they did after sanga got out there would have been more pressure on srilanka.
When you know that the target is 154 then you know even if you are say 100-5 after 12-13
overs you can win but at the start chasing 196 you are 100-5 then you can be got under pressure(specially the out of -form srilankan batsmen) so at the start you are reluctant to take risks and are under pressure.
Even the bowlers had to go on defensive here after two bad overs from sreesanth but if the target had been more then India could have stayed agressive and had a better chance of recovering from the damage.

You didn't answer my question: how much would you have thought would have been a fair target off 21 overs?

Your attempt at changing something I said around to suit what you want me to say is also a pretty poor attempt at a valid discussion about the merits of the D/L system. Team 2 would be set ~165 to win in 20 overs against a Team 1 total of 290 in 50.

The suggestion that the par-score of 235 handicaps D/L in this instance is irrelevant: The par of 235 is only used when a chasing side has more resources available than the team batting first: not applicable here.

There is a case for the T20 generation showing that the "old" tables are incompatible with the way that modern cricket is played: seeing as the tables and system have been updated a number of times in recent years, I highly doubt that the opposite will be the case here.

As for the statistic about "31 games won by chasing sides, 18 batting first..."
* What is the sample from? There must be far more than 49 D/L matches ever...
* Does not take into account relative strengths of sides
* Does not show when and where the rain breaks happen.

If you want to continue this, please reply specifically and relevantly to address the points raised - particularly my first question. I have neither the time nor the inclination for a straw man argument.

 

[Top_Cat]

I do not think it is fine at this day and age specially with the t20 internationals coming into play.
The system was based on old data around 10+ years ago and uses 235 as average score for calculations which in this day and age of 300+ scores being chased down is not good enough.I read somwhere that the average score last year in odi's was 268 or more.
I think the ICC needs to probably try and keep updating the method in a dynamic situation and give people incentives to discover better softwares and methods.

The data table is updated regularly. You have no idea what you're on about. The whole point of the maths behind it is to continually add data to it so the model gets more accurate over time. Even then, the changes in average scores over the past coupel of years hasn't changed the data tables too much.

Anyway, got a problem with D/L? Come up with a better one. There are others who try but to date no-one has devised a fairer system.

Jeez. Cevno sure does = sour grapes.

Not to mention predictable.

 

[Son Of Coco]

great match.. and i specifically enjoyed the over of sreesanth in which he was hit for 23 runs by Sanath..

i would like to see more of this fire wark from sanath and i would enjoy it more if the bowler would be Sreesanth..

That's very specific!

 

[Burgey]

Srilanka have been very lucky with rain this tournament.It has rained at just about the right times for them this tournament in two games now.
After watching this game i am pretty confident that if this tournament remained rain free from here on and had full 50 over games then India and Australia will be contesting the finals.

India today did not today do too much wrong in the circumstances except sreesanth's bowling and lack of acceleration between 16-21 overs in the given circumstances.
Duckworth lewis just did the team in and put srilanka in a position where they were left a with a target where there batsmen on this good pitch could swing their bat at anything wiyhout much pressure.

How do you know they wouldn't have run down the chase in Brisbane, or for that matter the chase yesterday?

 

[rama_v]

Sri Lanka deserved to win

Was at the game yesterday, it was a lot of fun despite the rain. I was in a predominantly Indian section that made a lot of noise (as usual). Hats off to Sri Lanka, they played well and got off to a flyer and never looked back. They deserved to win. Was awesome seeing a number of entertaining knocks, heck I was happy that there was even a game. Driving down from Sydney, it was pouring cats and dogs past Goulburn and we all had low expectations. Now the series has come alive