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***Official*** India in Australia

Ikki

Hall of Fame Member
Personally think Australia should be grateful it didn't go to a mythical sixth day....cause that pitch was starting to do some funny stuff towards the end there.

Kumble would have been a real handful on that surface on a day 6.
I don't say that for Australia or against them. I just say it for Cricket in general. If pitches are becoming too batsmen friendly and taking 20 wickets in 5 days is becoming hard...make it 6 days. Let's see a proper conclusion.
 

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
what bating ? is it all right for India to question the Aussies behavior but the Aussies
cant do the same in return ?
They can, but not in a trollish manner. Indian fans doing it in the same way as you would get the same treatment.

iff you are young Aussie who believes the aus cricket team has behavior problems than you are part of a minority
Just because you're in a minority doesn't mean you're wrong.
 

sideshowtim

Banned
Personally think Australia should be grateful it didn't go to a mythical sixth day....cause that pitch was starting to do some funny stuff towards the end there.

Kumble would have been a real handful on that surface on a day 6.
If there were 6 Days to a Test our last 6 would've batted very differently to how they did, and it probably would be India on the back foot.
 

Tony

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
I don't say that for Australia or against them. I just say it for Cricket in general. If pitches are becoming too batsmen friendly and taking 20 wickets in 5 days is becoming hard...make it 6 days. Let's see a proper conclusion.
5 days is long enough - it was as much the batting being better than the bowling than the number of days. If you are 2-1 down in a series and you bat 150 overs for 526 runs you have to expect to have the opposition defending and not giving you a donation.

Bahjji bowled poorly and they lost RP Singh and Kumble looked as if he carried an injury and Aussies gave nothing away
 

Tony

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Probably been said before but really stiffen up the penalties for slow over rates could make sure that you get 450 overs in a test as well. I konw they finished early but this one went for how long in overs? 410 or so......another 40 overs could have been handy if people hold their catches
 

Salamuddin

International Debutant
If there were 6 Days to a Test our last 6 would've batted very differently to how they did, and it probably would be India on the back foot.

The pitch was getting harder to bat on as day 4 wore on....the fact that Australia were 3/380 odd but only made 560 in the end reflects that.
India too found the going tough but had there been a sixth day you lot would have had the unbridled pleasure of facing KUmble on that surface and I said, that pitch was really starting to deteriorate towards the end there.

Can't see how India would have been on the backfoot when Australia woudl still have had to get 210+ on a pitch not conducive to strokeplay and offering considerable variable bounce.
 

sideshowtim

Banned
The pitch was getting harder to bat on as day 4 wore on....the fact that Australia were 3/380 odd but only made 560 in the end reflects that.
India too found the going tough but had there been a sixth day you lot would have had the unbridled pleasure of facing KUmble on that surface and I said, that pitch was really starting to deteriorate towards the end there.

Can't see how India would have been on the backfoot when Australia woudl still have had to get 210+ on a pitch not conducive to strokeplay and offering considerable variable bounce.
Yes, we made 560 because we realised we needed to get a move on if we were to give ourselves a chance of winning. If we had another day to bat, we wouldn't have done such a thing and continued to play more conservatively and stretched a lead that would've been far ahead of the Indians total. The pitch was nice for batting until the end there.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Missed the last 3 days of the test. Good to see a Sehwag ton. Been so crucial this series.

India didn't lose when he was in the XI :p
 

pup11

International Coach
I though India started reading Hogg's wrongun in Sydney and from then on they have had few problems with him.

He may get to play some more tests - Australia don't have too many options in the spin dept but I'd be surprised if he has a great deal of success.
Bowls too many hit me for four deliveries for mine and doesn't have a great deal of variety outside that wrongun.
I don't think Hogg bowled too badly Indian batsmen just played him very well, but i don't think he would get anymore chances, since now Ponting himself doesn't seem to be too impressed with his efforts.

Hogg cuts lonely figure

Peter English at the Adelaide Oval

January 28, 2008



It's been a deflating series for Brad Hogg who has been shown up as a Test bowler © Getty Images



While one Western Australian bowed out to overflowing praise for an outstanding career, another must have crept off wondering if he had performed in his last Test. Brad Hogg's re-trial as the first-choice spinner failed again and if Stuart MacGill doesn't regain his fitness in time for the winter tours the selectors need to gamble on the next generation.

On the final days in Sydney and Adelaide, where the spinners are supposed to excel, Hogg picked up only one wicket. At the start of the series he was the right man, but he is 37 next month and has been unable to satisfy the demands of someone who is so experienced.

Apart from when operating successfully against Sourav Ganguly, he has looked like a chess player who isn't sure what is happening five moves ahead. A slow bowler without a thoughtful plan is not much help, especially against those as accomplished as the Indians. The ball has been speared in at speed - the batsmen were not worried about the crucial double danger of falling lbw or edging the same delivery - and he has been treated like a little brother.

Virender Sehwag watched two balls with caution in Hogg's first over of the day before trying to launch him over the Clem Hill Stand at deep midwicket. The powerful heave fell just short, but it still cleared one of the longest boundaries on the ground and was followed by a drive through cover for four. Ricky Ponting called off the carnage after Hogg's opening five overs cost 42 and Andrew Symonds and Michael Clarke were preferred until after tea. The pair might also be heavily employed in the future.

On his return Hogg was struck for four by Sehwag, who brought up his 150, and his one breakthrough came when Harbhajan Singh drove to Ricky Ponting at mid-off. It was his second wicket of the Test and he was given only 12 second-innings overs before the match closed.

"I don't think Brad's let anybody down right through this series," Ponting said. "He's done the job we probably all expected he would do - probably no more, probably no less." It was not the sort of endorsement a struggling bowler hopes for and Ponting also spoke of the need to lean on Symonds and Clarke if Hogg isn't around.

In three Tests Hogg has captured eight wickets at an average of 60.12, which is not a number that will be etched on any honourboard. Take away the four times he removed Ganguly and the cost of Harbhajan (twice), Yuvraj Singh and VVS Laxman inflates to 120.25. The figures should be career ending in Tests - he remains the most valuable of one-day bowlers - but Australia's stocks are so unsure a reprieve is possible.

"It's a little while now before we play any more Tests," Ponting said. "We've got a couple of months of one-day cricket and then the selectors will sit down and pick who they think is going to be the next - well, if it's not Hogg - who the next spinner is going to be after that."

While a young bowler might be horrified and deflated by such figures as Hogg's, he would at least be able to benefit from the experience and it would form an important part of his development. Dan Cullen, the South Australia offspinner, needs to be considered for the Test tours if MacGill cannot - or does not - recover from wrist surgery. Any success Hogg has in the CB Series needs to ignored when it comes to discussing his viability in the longer game.

Peter English is the Australasia editor of Cricinfo

© Cricinfo
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
In three Tests Hogg has captured eight wickets at an average of 60.12, which is not a number that will be etched on any honourboard. Take away the four times he removed Ganguly and the cost of Harbhajan (twice), Yuvraj Singh and VVS Laxman inflates to 120.25. The figures should be career ending in Tests - he remains the most valuable of one-day bowlers - but Australia's stocks are so unsure a reprieve is possible.
Haha, remove the wickets he's taken for no particular reason. Especially when the guy is a world class batsman, not some tailender.
 

sideshowtim

Banned
Haha, remove the wickets he's taken for no particular reason. Especially when the guy is a world class batsman, not some tailender.
Haha, agree that part was ridiculous.

Shane Warne has taken 708 Test wickets at 25.41, however when you take 700 of those away, it inflates to 2,249.7.
 

Top_Cat

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Haha, remove the wickets he's taken for no particular reason. Especially when the guy is a world class batsman, not some tailender.
Yeah that's shocking. Let's not forget Ganguly probably came into the series in career-best form too. Plus, he's beaten him in defense, not had him caught inside the rope trying to hit out. Sure, Hogg hasn't been brilliant but credit where credit is due; keeping Ganguly quiet went a long way to winning the series.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Haha, Sehwag had the highest score and the highest S/R. Scoring 151 when no one else went past 20 is amazing.


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silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Grades out of 10 (Australia)


Brett Lee (9.5): Dominating. He is clearly in the best form of his life, and has really become a leader of the Australian attack. No one really got on top of him, and on very flat and unresponsive pitches, you always felt that the next ball would be the one that takes the wicket. The tally of 24 wickets at 22.58 is amazing, considering the pitches and the batting lineups he had to face. He bowled long hard spells without sacrificing speed or accuracy, and was consistently the person his captain relied on to keep the pressure on and keep taking wickets.

Matthew Hayden (9.0): He could be the sole reason India won the test at Perth. Without him, the Aussie top order looked all at sea, and with him, they looked world class. He scored over 400 runs in three matches, and India were always on the back foot when he was playing and scoring runs by the bucketload. With several of the Australian middle order not in their best form, he kept the lineup afloat. His three centuries in five innings says everything you need to know about his performances.

Andrew Symonds (8.5): Bastard. Just one lucky ****ing bastard. But you can't deny his contributions. His innings at Sydney dug Australia out of a hole and set them up for a win. He scored over 400 runs and took nine wickets at 27. He out bowled their front line spinner, and scored runs when his side needed them.

Michael Clarke (7.5): Failed both innings in Sydney with the bat, but did well in the rest of the series, including a century at Adelaide. He only took four wickets, but three of them will haunt Indians for the rest of their lives. The three wickets that he took to win the match in Sydney will definitely be one of his highlights and India would surely have gotten the draw if Ponting hadn't given him the ball.

Stuart Clark (6.5): He was very unlucky most of the time. He bowled very tight and never let the opposition get away. He had 14 wickets, but he could easily have had twenty if things went right for him. Despite being below 130kph much of the time, his bowling always kept the pressure on while Lee was bowling his heart out on the other end. He did well for the first three Tests but couldn't get anything going on a very flaccid pitch at Adelaide.

Mitchell Johnson (6.0): Improved quite a bit as the series went on. He was pretty raw in the beginning, but by the end, it looked like he could support Lee long term. Bowled really well on a flat deck in Adelaide, and generally looked very solid at the Test level.

Michael Hussey (6.0): Can this man be human? We have gotten so used to his run scoring ways, that an average of "only" 48 is considered subpar. Had a great unbeaten century at Sydney, but he never crossed fifty outside of that.

Ricky Ponting (5.0) : Ponting had a very disappointing series by his standards. Averaged less than 40 overall, and though he made a very fighting century in the last match, he had a very ordinary beginning to the series, making 4, 3, 55, 1, 20 and 45. Established himself as Harbhajan's bunny, having been dismissed by him many times in the series, but his century in the final match was gritty and kept Harbhajan out.

Phil Jaques (4.5): Jaques had three fifties in seven innings, but was also dismissed quickly the rest of the time. He had a great match at the MCG, but he wasn't a big factor for the rest of the series. In the absence of Hayden, his twin failures at Perth were a big reason for the Australian loss.

Adam Gilchrist (4.0): Only averaged 21 in his last series, and didn't have the best of time behind the stumps. He wasn't bad, but he wasn't his usual excellent self either. Only passed fifty once in seven innings, and though everyone waited for his aggressive nature to dominate the Indians, he never did. Though he had a disappointing last series, he will be sorely missed by Australia.

Brad Hogg (2.5): Crap with the ball, a little better with the bat. His innings in Sydney was very crucial in the Australian innings. He looked promising with the ball at the MCG but it was all downhill from there. He ended with an average of 60, but probably bowled worse than that. Everytime he came on, someone on the Indian side used him to up the run rate, best exemplified by the reatment of him by Sehwag when he went for 42 runs in five overs despite a 5th day pitch.

Chris Rogers (1.0): Two innings, 19 runs total. It is hard for someone to just come in and fill in for Hayden, but Rogers couldn't get going in either innings, and was a non-factor in the one match he played.

Shaun Tait (0.5): All hype and no performances to back it up. He boasted about wanting to bowl the the fastest delivery in cricket, but was a non-factor in the limited time he got in the match. Went for 92 runs without a wicket, and as the overrate deteriorated, he never got a chance to improve his performances. The pitch at Perth wasn't what it was cracked up to be, but he was often bowling in the 130s and low 140s, and didn't trouble anyone.


I think howardj agreed to do the Indian marks out of ten.
 
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Laurrz

International Debutant
^ no complaints here

agreed about clark :(

lol at symo ...anyway yea he really did surprise me how well he did with the ball..could be so important in the future tours...
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Don't think I can disagree with much of that SS. The only thing is, I guess Hayden loses 1 point for not playing in Perth? because otherwise, can't really see what else needs to be done to get a 10.

Maybe a tad (and only a tad) bit harsh on Hogg, simply for his Sydney knock. That irritating asshole batted beautifully in Sydney, and probably cost India a chance of victory just as much as the umpires. That knock is enough for him to get a 2. Plus he managed to stop Ganguly who early in the series was looking the goods.

Also, would have probably given Tait 0 :ph34r:
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Don't think I can disagree with any of that SS. The only thing is, I guess Hayden loses 1 point for not playing in Perth? because otherwise, can't really see what else needs to be done to get a 10.

Also, would have probably given Tait 0 :ph34r:
Yup, didn't give him a perfect rating just for that, otherwise he would have a 9.5. I don't like giving perfect 10s unless you have a performance like Flintoff in 2005 or something ridiculous like that.

I reserve 0 and 10 for all time great and all time bad performances. :p
 
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