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Official Pro-Wrestling Thread (WWE, TNA, ROH etc.)

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Surprising news coming out of WWE today, apparently due to his unhappiness with the way he's been treated during his injury and about the treatment of his girlfriend, the now-released Kristal Marshall, Bobby Lashley has come to terms on his release from WWE.

Sad to see him go really, was pushed too fast but I always thought he had potential. It remains to be seen whether TNA is an option for him now, as he is apparently interested in a career in MMA.
I think this is a major own goal by the WWE, Lashley had everything needed to make him a star, a little work needed on the mic work but his image and ability were good enough to make him a leading star, and the wwe obviously thought so as well as he was pushed loads and put in several important angles. Very sad to see him go tbh, was looking forward to his return.
 

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in other bad news it looks like RVD may have ruined his chances of returning to the WWE by shooting on Vince Mcmahon and HHH in a recent interview, sigh.
 

Barney Rubble

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in other bad news it looks like RVD may have ruined his chances of returning to the WWE by shooting on Vince Mcmahon and HHH in a recent interview, sigh.
Dammit, if that man would stop getting in his own way he could have been such a star. All it takes is to (if you'll pardon the pun) play the game a little bit, and not piss off the wrong people, but he has to go around smoking weed in public and mouthing off about everyone. Wasted talent.
 

sledger

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haha did anyone catch the debut of kofi kingston on ECW this week? was quite impressed actually, his ring work was pretty good (though the guy he faced was an absolute klutz and botched several moves), if he can cut a promo he could have a decent future, though wouldnt be surprised to see him go the way of shelton benjamin tbh...

and no way can he ever be a major face, as he's not from the usa, he's jamaican.....

here's to hoping he turns out ok.
 

Barney Rubble

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haha did anyone catch the debut of kofi kingston on ECW this week? was quite impressed actually, his ring work was pretty good (though the guy he faced was an absolute klutz and botched several moves), if he can cut a promo he could have a decent future, though wouldnt be surprised to see him go the way of shelton benjamin tbh...

and no way can he ever be a major face, as he's not from the usa, he's jamaican.....

here's to hoping he turns out ok.
Just watching ECW now, looking forward to seeing Kofi go at it. Amused by the fact that he looks very similar to Elijah Burke, they'll probably team up eventually.

Also amused by a wrestling website that suggested it's a shame Booker T isn't still in the company, 'cause it rules out the possibility of a "T & Kofi" tag team. With Koko B. Ware as manager. :laugh:
 

sledger

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haha that would be amusing, I imagine he will either team up or feud with carlito sometime in the future as part of some battle or the caribean or something...

speaking of which, nice to see carlito pick up a win this week, tbh I thought RAW (barring the HHH beat down on 3 guys) was alright this week, quite enjoyed the show, didnt really mind kendrick jobbing as he had a good match and its better to see umaga getting back to winning once more. Thought Y2J getting some mic time was good as well, not a bad promo, but still felt a bit forced. Shame we didnt see more of santino but ah well, "why buy a cow? when you have someone who lets you milk them for free?" haha great.
 

Barney Rubble

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haha that would be amusing, I imagine he will either team up or feud with carlito sometime in the future as part of some battle or the caribean or something...

speaking of which, nice to see carlito pick up a win this week, tbh I thought RAW (barring the HHH beat down on 3 guys) was alright this week, quite enjoyed the show, didnt really mind kendrick jobbing as he had a good match and its better to see umaga getting back to winning once more. Thought Y2J getting some mic time was good as well, not a bad promo, but still felt a bit forced. Shame we didnt see more of santino but ah well, "why buy a cow? when you have someone who lets you milk them for free?" haha great.
Yeah, from the recap I read before I saw it, Raw sounded crap, but it was actually pretty decent. HBK vs Kennedy was great, I hope this feud continues 'cause all their matches have been fantastic so far. Working with HBK is really bringing out the best in Kennedy's in-ring work.

Was good to see Carlito winning, especially over a **** like Hardcore Holly. How he got his tag title push I don't know, seeing as Cody Rhodes is actually more over than he is, and he's got no gimmick whatsoever. It says a lot about Holly that he was willing to go to the lengths of breaking his own neck just to teach Brock Lesnar a lesson. What the lesson was, no-one's quite sure, but Brock damn sure learned it after Holly sandbagged that powerbomb.

Just watching Kofi now - the guy sure is athletic, and yeah, the guy he was working with is crap. Kofi's moveset is pretty unique - finished the match with a double leg-drop into a buzzsaw kick, and the leg-drop was preceded by a bit of theatrics. The guy's got a decent future if he keeps that up.
 

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Yeah, from the recap I read before I saw it, Raw sounded crap, but it was actually pretty decent. HBK vs Kennedy was great, I hope this feud continues 'cause all their matches have been fantastic so far. Working with HBK is really bringing out the best in Kennedy's in-ring work.

Was good to see Carlito winning, especially over a **** like Hardcore Holly. How he got his tag title push I don't know, seeing as Cody Rhodes is actually more over than he is, and he's got no gimmick whatsoever. It says a lot about Holly that he was willing to go to the lengths of breaking his own neck just to teach Brock Lesnar a lesson. What the lesson was, no-one's quite sure, but Brock damn sure learned it after Holly sandbagged that powerbomb.
Just watching Kofi now - the guy sure is athletic, and yeah, the guy he was working with is crap. Kofi's moveset is pretty unique - finished the match with a double leg-drop into a buzzsaw kick, and the leg-drop was preceded by a bit of theatrics. The guy's got a decent future if he keeps that up.
haha he botched that powerbomb on purpose? I thought it was just the two of them screwing it up somehow! He's had a few nasty injuries actually, I remember when kurt Angle botched a big moonsault and broke his arm, and then that suplex on RVD off the apron through a table gave him that huge gash on his back. Also remember when they ran some stupid skit about Holly beating up a WCW fan in WWF new york when it was still open, pretty stupid but amusing at the same time. Tbh its a surprise holly has lasted this long, nevre really had much going for him, and why the hell he is called "hardcore" hell only knows, the most hardcore thing he has ever done is hit someone with a trash can ffs.
 

Barney Rubble

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haha he botched that powerbomb on purpose? I thought it was just the two of them screwing it up somehow! He's had a few nasty injuries actually, I remember when kurt Angle botched a big moonsault and broke his arm, and then that suplex on RVD off the apron through a table gave him that huge gash on his back. Also remember when they ran some stupid skit about Holly beating up a WCW fan in WWF new york when it was still open, pretty stupid but amusing at the same time. Tbh its a surprise holly has lasted this long, nevre really had much going for him, and why the hell he is called "hardcore" hell only knows, the most hardcore thing he has ever done is hit someone with a trash can ffs.
Yeah, apparently he sandbagged it as revenge for Lesnar working too stiff with him - I can understand how a monster like Lesnar should be encouraged to go easy to a certain extent, but Holly's reaction was just plain stupid. The irony of the whole thing is that the fact that Lesnar worked so stiff with everyone was part of the reason why he was so good.
 

sledger

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Yeah, apparently he sandbagged it as revenge for Lesnar working too stiff with him - I can understand how a monster like Lesnar should be encouraged to go easy to a certain extent, but Holly's reaction was just plain stupid. The irony of the whole thing is that the fact that Lesnar worked so stiff with everyone was part of the reason why he was so good.
I suppose you could formulate an argument to say that Holly made a huge sacrifice and did it for lesnars own good, but I like you just think thats idiotic, seeing as a powerbomb can be dangerous enough when its done properly, let alone botched like that one.

With regards to lesnar though, he's just another one of these guys that the WWE have completely wiped from memory, he has just gone, never shows up in any old footage they choose to air (although fair enough I suppose as UFC are considered a huge rival by the WWE), but they still show footage of Kurt Angle who also left in fairly acrimonious circumstances.
 

Barney Rubble

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I suppose you could formulate an argument to say that Holly made a huge sacrifice and did it for lesnars own good, but I like you just think thats idiotic, seeing as a powerbomb can be dangerous enough when its done properly, let alone botched like that one.

With regards to lesnar though, he's just another one of these guys that the WWE have completely wiped from memory, he has just gone, never shows up in any old footage they choose to air (although fair enough I suppose as UFC are considered a huge rival by the WWE), but they still show footage of Kurt Angle who also left in fairly acrimonious circumstances.
Yeah, it's a weird one. I can understand them seeing how UFC are a major rival, but he's never even mentioned or anything. Even Angle is occasionally referenced (witness HBK putting the Ankle Lock on Orton at Survivor Series), but Lesnar, no. Wouldn't be surprised if they go the whole hog and give the next beefy superstar to come out of OVW the F-5 as a finisher and then forget Brock completely. Actually, thinking of it, I'd love to see someone else do Brock's repeating powerbomb thing, 'cause that was awesome.

As for the Holly incident, surely the best way to tell a guy he's working too stiff is to just tell him about it? I remember reading somewhere about how Bret Hart used to occasionally chastise guys for working too soft, 'cause he prefered to work fairly stiff, but he didn't do it by giving them a straight right to the face and breaking their nose, 'cause he wasn't an idiot. There's a reason he got somewhere in the business and Hardcore Holly never has. What is it, like 18 years pro for Holly now? And all he's got to show for it are a few tag title reigns and a couple of Hardcore titles, given to him purely because of his name? Awful, just awful. The sooner he turns heel, feuds with Cody Rhodes and puts him over, the better. That kid has a hell of a future, IMO.
 

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Yeah, it's a weird one. I can understand them seeing how UFC are a major rival, but he's never even mentioned or anything. Even Angle is occasionally referenced (witness HBK putting the Ankle Lock on Orton at Survivor Series), but Lesnar, no. Wouldn't be surprised if they go the whole hog and give the next beefy superstar to come out of OVW the F-5 as a finisher and then forget Brock completely. Actually, thinking of it, I'd love to see someone else do Brock's repeating powerbomb thing, 'cause that was awesome.

As for the Holly incident, surely the best way to tell a guy he's working too stiff is to just tell him about it? I remember reading somewhere about how Bret Hart used to occasionally chastise guys for working too soft, 'cause he prefered to work fairly stiff, but he didn't do it by giving them a straight right to the face and breaking their nose, 'cause he wasn't an idiot. There's a reason he got somewhere in the business and Hardcore Holly never has. What is it, like 18 years pro for Holly now? And all he's got to show for it are a few tag title reigns and a couple of Hardcore titles, given to him purely because of his name? Awful, just awful. The sooner he turns heel, feuds with Cody Rhodes and puts him over, the better. That kid has a hell of a future, IMO.

yeah rhodes looks pretty decent actually, just need to get him a proper finisher, glad they seem to have ditched the yellow trunks/boots combo in favour of a blue pair, much less offensive. Although one still gets the feeling that he wouldnt be on RAW this early if he wasnt the son of Dusty.

I remember Jericho used to do the repeat powerbomb, always looked pretty good as well come to think of it, kind of got fazed out as his career went on, maybe it was considered too dangerous by WWE standards.....mind you come to think of it loads of guys movesets are restricted by the WWE guidlines, if you watch Ortons indy matches from OVW you can see he does loads more flying moves and some cool neckbreakers etc... you dont see that these days......
 

Barney Rubble

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yeah rhodes looks pretty decent actually, just need to get him a proper finisher, glad they seem to have ditched the yellow trunks/boots combo in favour of a blue pair, much less offensive. Although one still gets the feeling that he wouldnt be on RAW this early if he wasnt the son of Dusty.

I remember Jericho used to do the repeat powerbomb, always looked pretty good as well come to think of it, kind of got fazed out as his career went on, maybe it was considered too dangerous by WWE standards.....mind you come to think of it loads of guys movesets are restricted by the WWE guidlines, if you watch Ortons indy matches from OVW you can see he does loads more flying moves and some cool neckbreakers etc... you dont see that these days......
Yeah, the Banned Moves List was cooked up by Triple H apparently. Obviously in an attempt to make sure no-one became so interesting they surpassed his popularity level. Having said that, you can blame the Lesnar incident from WM19 just as much as you can blame HHH.

As for Cody, he definitely needs a new finisher, a DDT is just another move these days. It's like having a sleeper hold or just a regular powerbomb, you need a variation to make it interesting. Even just turning it into the old Maivia Hurricane that The Rock did before he was The Rock would be something.

Oh, and re: Orton, someone pointed something out to me recently - almost every single move Orton does these days is some variation on grabbing a guy's head. Think about it - RKO (cutter), inverted backbreaker (where he just grabs a guy's head from behind and then pulls it down over his back), gutwrench neckbreaker, hangman's DDT, the running kick to the face, and of course his one and only rest hold, the side headlock. Weird. You'd have thought having wrestled HBK something like 6 or 7 times in his career might have taught him something about varying your moveset, but apparently not.
 

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I can understand the banned moves list, but it seems that waaaay to much is banned, for instance even the 619 isnt done like it used to be, I rmeember rey would jump and hurricanrana his opponent, just does the crap sitting senton now, which is lame, or a frog spash which looks crap when he does it.

Hardly see any powerbombs or piledrivers these days, understandable but still lame.

but as far as finishers go.....cant beat the heinikenrana, good old sandman, miracle that he managed to pull it off as often as he did, as he appeared to be off his face most of the time.
 

Barney Rubble

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I can understand the banned moves list, but it seems that waaaay to much is banned, for instance even the 619 isnt done like it used to be, I rmeember rey would jump and hurricanrana his opponent, just does the crap sitting senton now, which is lame, or a frog spash which looks crap when he does it.

Hardly see any powerbombs or piledrivers these days, understandable but still lame.

but as far as finishers go.....cant beat the heinikenrana, good old sandman, miracle that he managed to pull it off as often as he did, as he appeared to be off his face most of the time.
Yeah, I've noticed Rey doesn't do the 619 like he used to. However, I wasn't sure if that might be something to do with his knee injury, he was doing the West Coast Pop as recently as WM22 and his injury was only 6 months or so after that. Hasn't done it since he got back, either.

Sandman's other finisher was the White Russian Leg Sweep, wasn't it? Good old alcoholism, LOL.
 
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