People over-rated?

[Manee]

Here we go..

If you had done some proper research into the ICC study you would have discovered that every single bowler in international cricket today has a kink in their action therefore under the old laws making them illegal. That was why the rule was changed.

You are mistaken. The old laws allowed variable bending for each type of bowler certainly over a perfectly straight arm. It was found that (very) approximately half of bowlers broke the rules.

 

[Richard]

Half was still more than enough to change the rules, though, rather than try and change the bowlers.

10 degrees is a stupidly small angle - it's virtually nothing. No-one is ever going to notice that.

 

[Dusty Lee]

I am a newbie here. didn't find any introductions thread. So pardon me if I look like a troll.

I think Murali doesn't throw his conventional off spin has been well established. The problem is his doosra. IIRC, to bowl the doosra his bend is more than 10 degrees. The ICC had a system where they would only allow 5-10 degrees for spin bowlers. But after conducting the study they have universally increased the allowable bend to 15 degrees which helps Murali (and also Harbhajan) to get away with his doosra. I think the limit should go back to 10 degrees for spinners.

The Ranji trophy scene in India is pathetic. You see so many bowlers who are bending their arms to get more spin as also bowl the doosra. But, if everyone is ok with it, then you just have to accept and move on.

How many Wickets had Murali taken with the doosra before the rules were changed, and also testing in a university is different to bowling out in the middle. For mine you just can't compare the differences, he could concentrate on keeping his arm straight as possible when he is all wired up and go back to normal in a game situation.

 

[Top_Cat]

How many Wickets had Murali taken with the doosra before the rules were changed, and also testing in a university is different to bowling out in the middle. For mine you just can't compare the differences, he could concentrate on keeping his arm straight as possible when he is all wired up and go back to normal in a game situation.

See, the problem with this argument is that it lacks credibility and is all too easy to make without backing it up. Those doing the testing did all they can to make sure the bowling in testing was similar to matches, worked their butts off comparing match vids with what they were seeing in testing. Couple that with the fact there are people involved in the testing with several post-graduate degrees in the area so you have a fair amount of technical expertise as a resource. Yet people think can come along and just throw something like this and expect their statement to have the same credibility as those who are putting their rep on the line? Nuh uh, you'll have to do better than that.

So where's you proof that Murali or any other bowler that's been tested did anything different in testing than they did in a match? Seriously, where is it? Murali bowled in braces which immobilised his arm in testing and still ripped his offie and doosra.

 

[Top_Cat]

Research suggested 10 degrees was not enough for most bowlers.

This is the key point. The ICC didn't just hold a lottery and pluck the number 15 out of a pile of balls. The 15 degrees has an evidence base. Any change to that law will similarly have to be looked into formally, not just changed on a whim.

 

[Dusty Lee]

So where's you proof that Murali or any other bowler that's been tested did anything different in testing than they did in a match? Seriously, where is it? Murali bowled in braces which immobilised his arm in testing and still ripped his offie and doosra.[/QUOTE]

There is my proof that it is different in a lab vs in a game

 

[Top_Cat]

So where's you proof that Murali or any other bowler that's been tested did anything different in testing than they did in a match? Seriously, where is it? Murali bowled in braces which immobilised his arm in testing and still ripped his offie and doosra.

There is my proof that it is different in a lab vs in a game[/QUOTE]



No clue. Seriously. He only did that once and it was mainly for the cameras. In real testing, he was tested as per normal bowling.

 

[Richard]

Sort yer quoting out guys!

Corey, you should know when you need to correct a faulty quote. Detracts from the fact you're blasting a silly argument to bits to see you quoting improperly.

 

[Top_Cat]

Sort yer quoting out guys!

Corey, you should know when you need to correct a faulty quote. Detracts from the fact you're blasting a silly argument to bits to see you quoting improperly.

You're a bloody staff member. You edit it.

 

[Migara]

Even McGrath and Pollock were found extending there elbows around 12º with their effort balls.

 

[Richard]

You're a bloody staff member. You edit it.

I'm not a Mod though.

 

[slowfinger]

Yeah but Murali's arm just shows that with out his arm his cant do any damage isnt it?

 

[shortpitched713]

Yeah but Murali's arm just shows that with out his arm his cant do any damage isnt it?

I agree. He should be made to bowl with his feet, imo.

 

[Richard]

Yeah but Murali's arm just shows that with out his arm his cant do any damage isnt it?

I think you possibly might find that most bowlers might just struggle if you remove their arm.

Mind, it was widely reckoned it might be tried.

 

[Cameron-Moss]

This thread strikes for the 2,841,715th time...

I swear your posts have just gone up like 50 posts in the last 20 mins.

 

[Richard]

Probably about that.

 

[Cameron-Moss]

Probally even more.

 

[andruid]

Hi cameron are you also in Leeds?

Back on topic Tony Suji wins for most over rated player outside the Test World, not to say he is completely talentless but...no wait its just dawned on me Brijal Patel was even more over rated when he was still playing for Kenya.

 

[pup11]

Perth pitch was over rated?

Oh boy, you can say that again!

 

[pup11]

I swear your posts have just gone up like 50 posts in the last 20 mins.

Richard is a CW legend mate, so don't get suprised seeing him ripping posts after posts.