Mister Wright
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Don't see how Tait is sreets ahead of Noffke and Hilfenhaus. Crazy talk.
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The 4 pace idea - proven to be not good ?
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Mister Wright
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I'm of the opinion you play your four best bowlers no matter what the conditions, as your best bowler should be good enough to get you wickets.
Personally, I hope MacGill comes back firing, as when he's on fit and ready to go he's definitely in our top four bowlers.
Personally, I hope MacGill comes back firing, as when he's on fit and ready to go he's definitely in our top four bowlers.
Captain Cricket
State Vice-Captain
Check my other thread titled 'Ashley Noffke' on this forum.
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Thread plug, for shame.
Craig
World Traveller
Even that match against New Zealand in Adelaide where New Zealand questioned his action, he still went for 28 off his first three overs. Sure he picked up three wickets, but are you going to accept going at 6 plus an over?
Lee used to be like that, until Ponting pull him a lot more in ODIs.
Lee used to be like that, until Ponting pull him a lot more in ODIs.
Salamuddin
International Debutant
Problem I see with Shaun Tait is that with his action he's never going to achieve a decent level of accuracy over a sustained spell of bowling.
Tait relies very much on "shock value" - the ability to jaffas occasionally at pace.
It may work over the course of 10 overs but in a test match, I expect good batsmen to have the measure of him.
You need to be reasonably accurate to play intl test cricket as a bowler and Tait is not.
Tait relies very much on "shock value" - the ability to jaffas occasionally at pace.
It may work over the course of 10 overs but in a test match, I expect good batsmen to have the measure of him.
You need to be reasonably accurate to play intl test cricket as a bowler and Tait is not.
Mister Wright
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Until you've seen Tait on fire and running through a side, you cannot appreciate his ability. When he's on song he really can run through a team. However, he's off days are just terrible. He'll mature though.
Salamuddin
International Debutant
Oh I've seen Tait quite a bit and yeah I think there will be days where he will run through lineups.
But I still maintain that with his action, he will never achieve a level of accuracy that will consistently trouble good batting lineups at intl level.
Mister Wright
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When you have a tailender saying he feels more confident playing him it says a lot.
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
Unfit Tait - useless
Fit Tait - scary
His record in domestic cricket in Australia in FC suggest he has what it takes to bowl quality spells for long period. He wasn't always used by SA in short sharp burst, a lot of time he actually bowled longish spells and maintained a decent line and length, as well as consistency.
Yeah he is player that need to be shown confidence by the captain, like others have said. But you wont last too long at Test level if you get a free ride and only bowl at times that suit you. If he is to make it at Test level he needs to bowl in different situations. The big thing about his WC performances was the fact that he bowled well in tough situations when Australia needed something special. He didn''t just bowl well when the bowl was swinging early or reversing late.
Malinga has a very similar action to Tait and has learnt how to bowl with control. Some say though his gone too far and worried too much about control and lost a bit of zip and shock value. But I can't see why Tait can't bowl with degree of control if thats what the captain wants or the situation requires.
The big thing is finding a role in the Australian team. He filled the Brett Lee as the express bowler at the world cup. But it will be interesting to see what role he can play with Lee back in the ODI side. If they can find a way to work together at ODI level, then Tait might come good at Test level. But ATM there is no real role for him in team, which is his biggest problem. ATM he makes the attack unbalanced not balanced. Hilf (in form) or Noffke would give the attack more balance if they want a 4th seamer then Tait does.
Fit Tait - scary
His record in domestic cricket in Australia in FC suggest he has what it takes to bowl quality spells for long period. He wasn't always used by SA in short sharp burst, a lot of time he actually bowled longish spells and maintained a decent line and length, as well as consistency.
Yeah he is player that need to be shown confidence by the captain, like others have said. But you wont last too long at Test level if you get a free ride and only bowl at times that suit you. If he is to make it at Test level he needs to bowl in different situations. The big thing about his WC performances was the fact that he bowled well in tough situations when Australia needed something special. He didn''t just bowl well when the bowl was swinging early or reversing late.
Malinga has a very similar action to Tait and has learnt how to bowl with control. Some say though his gone too far and worried too much about control and lost a bit of zip and shock value. But I can't see why Tait can't bowl with degree of control if thats what the captain wants or the situation requires.
The big thing is finding a role in the Australian team. He filled the Brett Lee as the express bowler at the world cup. But it will be interesting to see what role he can play with Lee back in the ODI side. If they can find a way to work together at ODI level, then Tait might come good at Test level. But ATM there is no real role for him in team, which is his biggest problem. ATM he makes the attack unbalanced not balanced. Hilf (in form) or Noffke would give the attack more balance if they want a 4th seamer then Tait does.
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AWTA. Tait can and, as you said, has shown he can bowl with control. A bloke with a record like his on Australia's most dead home track proves it. His problem in Perth is mystifying and I don't think it was because he wasn't happy with the conditions, demanded to bowl at times that suited him, etc. I worked with his Dad and there's no way a petulant kid would have lasted in that household! I sensed an as yet unpublicised injury coupled with lack of match fitness might have impacted on his bowling. Unlikely to complain about it publicly, though. Too macho for that wussy stuff!
He really was shocking and worse, didn't hurry the batsmen or, in a lot of instances, make them play. He's Patterson Thomson when that's the case!
chaminda_00
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I'm 99% sure he wasn't 100% fit. He doesn't bowl that slow when he's fully fit or even half fit. Probably went too hard in the nets, pushing for a recall and injuried something. Also SA have basically played him every 2nd match this season, basically playing once forthnight. Going striaght from all full schedule of Twenty20 matches into a Test match a week later wasn't the best idea.
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I think his style of bowling (and his "Bugger it, I'm in" personality) gives off the impression that you can just throw him into any situation and he'll bowl quick enough to bend time. He's like any pace bowler; needs overs, not just for form and fitness but confidence.
Reminds me very much of his Tests in England; barely played any cricket all tour suddenly "Oh crap we have injuries and might lose the Ashes". Plays one FC match before the 4th Test, gets picked then gets smacked to all parts by Trescothick and Strauss. He's not superman, he needs work like everyone else. It's very unfair to play him in this manner and expect him to dominate against an excellent Test side. Hiding to nothing.
Jono
Virat Kohli (c)
If he wasn't 100% fit, and Australia:
a) dropped a guy who scored 79 in Sydney at 8
b) took a risk in the first place playing 4 bowlers so they could get Tait in the team
then thats ridiculously irresponsible. Akin to bringing Zaheer back in the MCG test vs. Aus back in 2003.
a) dropped a guy who scored 79 in Sydney at 8
b) took a risk in the first place playing 4 bowlers so they could get Tait in the team
then thats ridiculously irresponsible. Akin to bringing Zaheer back in the MCG test vs. Aus back in 2003.
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Not forgetting overbowling Clarke and Symonds because of slow over rates as a result of picking four pace bowlers...I think it's been a poor selection process by the Aussies.
chaminda_00
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Could have been one of those things he picked up the day before the game and never told anyone. Or he just picked it up as the match went along due to poor general fitness. The selectors/physio could have just thought "His been selected now his probably just taking it a bit easy" Rather then, "His bowling slow today, his not injuried is he?"