eglezdzdiyd
School Boy/Girl Captain
i agree completely. hopes may not be a flashy all rounder but he scores runs quickly at the top of the order and bowls with accuracy. He pretty much carried qld all of last season!
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***Official*** Commonwealth Bank Tri-Series 2007-08
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chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
Hopes' ODI record to date with the bat suggest he will probably struggle opening the batting at this level. Just reckon his one of those players that dominates state cricket, but will struggle to take his game to another level in ODIs. He just seems a very limited player. He really hasn't done a great deal at ODI level to say otherwise.
Cevno
Hall of Fame Member
Probably too put to much pressure on him would not be right but he has all the tools.
But i still not get how he has still not been selected.He was unlucky to get injured in the bangladesh tour but he has come back from a serious injury very well.
Another thing i am worried about in this selection is how can you select sehwag in ODI'S?
His odi record has been very poor in the past few years while his test record has been Okay but everytime he gets selected for ODI'S.
What happened last time was when sehwag failed in ODI's he was dropped from the test team also which was unfair. I can see it happening this time also.He should be picked for test first until he returns to his peak.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
I think Hopes's batting is a bit under-rated, actually. He's improved heaps in the last few seasons with the bat and he's a better one day batsman than the average of 26 odd suggests. His technique is pretty decent, he plays the short ball well, he has a decent array of shots and he rotates the strike well. If anything, I thought his bowling would get smashed at this level but he's bowled with a bit more pace than I thought he had and would actually be really useful in certain conditions.
I didn't really want him in the team when he was picked, but he's done better than I expected and his batting I feel is under-rated.
Salamuddin
International Debutant
I must admit I like the Indian selection for the most part although Badrinath has been
extremely hard done by IMO.
Not too sure about GAmbhir and Sehwag either.
Pleased to see Praveen Kumar and Raina though.
extremely hard done by IMO.
Not too sure about GAmbhir and Sehwag either.
Pleased to see Praveen Kumar and Raina though.
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Limited player? As Prince said. Really good with short balls and drives superbly. Also bowls very good variation. Excellent fielder also.
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah it wouldn't actually surprise me with a bit of luck he might average lows 30 opening batting in ODIs, considering he averages mids 30s in domestic cricket over the last 4 seasons. But is a guy averaging low 30s good enough, as more often then not you will be one down for not many. Just think with the role he plays in the side, as many buts and pieces his better off down the order and either Jaques or Watson open if Hayden or Gilchirst miss a match.
duffer
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Probably based on him having a decent amount of experience now and his more than handy offies. I wouldn't have recalled him but there you go, hope he proves everyone wrong becuase he can be devastating.
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I get the feeling the selectors don't see Jaques as a one day player. Otherwise they'd have selected him already. They have gone with Watson and Clarke as options.
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
Just cus he has the basic doesn't mean his more then a limited player. Most guys that play international cricket have the basics. Someone like Dilu Perera has the basics as well, but that doesn't mean his nothing more then a limited player at ODI level.
Mister Wright
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Yeah, but it's what you do with the basics. Hopes is inventive and reads a situation well. Which is why he's done so well at the top and middle order.
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
In squad though, as he shouldn't make a squad unless his first choice player, as he doesn't add a great deal of variety off the bench. But in the past they given him a run in home ODIs.
howardj
International Coach
The problem was the job (of the sheetanchor) was indeed NOT required.
Why have a sheetanchor when you've got a gun like Lee batting at nine?
Go hard right from ball one.
Here's a team that could get cookin' right from the first ball this summer:
Hayden
Gilchrist
Ponting
Symonds
Clarke
Hussey
Hopes (a poor man's Watson, but deserves his spot until Watto toughens the &#@! up)
Lee
Hogg
Bracken
Tait
sudhindra9
School Boy/Girl Captain
Dravid,Ganguly out
Indian Squad :
Mahendra Singh Dhoni (capt & wk),
Sachin Tendulkar,
Yuvraj Singh,
Virender Sehwag,
Dinesh Karthik,
Robin Uthappa,
Gautam Gambhir,
Suresh Raina,
Rohit Sharma,
Irfan Pathan,
Praveen Kumar,
RP Singh,
Ishant Sharma,
Sreesanth,
Harbhajan Singh,
Piyush Chawla
Manoj Tiwary, Yusuf Pathan and Munaf have been placed on standby and will join the squad in case of any injuries.
Indian Squad :
Mahendra Singh Dhoni (capt & wk),
Sachin Tendulkar,
Yuvraj Singh,
Virender Sehwag,
Dinesh Karthik,
Robin Uthappa,
Gautam Gambhir,
Suresh Raina,
Rohit Sharma,
Irfan Pathan,
Praveen Kumar,
RP Singh,
Ishant Sharma,
Sreesanth,
Harbhajan Singh,
Piyush Chawla
Manoj Tiwary, Yusuf Pathan and Munaf have been placed on standby and will join the squad in case of any injuries.
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
Anyone else find it funny that an injuried/half fit player (Munaf) has been put on standby for any injuries.
gettingbetter
State Vice-Captain
I still don't understand where all this Sehwag love is coming from, has Chappelli made multiple CW accounts? Anyone who has follwed Indian cricket over the last 6-12 months would have had no qualms picking Jaffer/Karthik for Melbourne. Due to injuries and good form, it wasn't to be.
Then again, hindsight is a beautiful thing, in saying that, Sehwag did more with the ball than with the bat. Not saying he did a bad job, but why everyone is applauding for his batting is beyond me.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Yeah, two pretty lucky innings for mine, especially the first. He was effective in that he got India off to a decent start and put Australia on the back foot to some degree, but he could have so easily just been dismissed early. His first innings was horrible in terms of those plays and misses outside off, and while he looked a bit better in the second dig, he was still batting without a brain IMO.
gettingbetter
State Vice-Captain
Exactly, sure Ponting was dominated by Ishant, but Sehwag just lets the door open for bowlers. I would of atleast liked to see the Jaffer/Karthik combination open - they were doing so well and for the first time in a long time, India had a solid combination at the top. England made the same mistake dropping Read, Mahmood and Monty before the Ashes. In his defence though, India have got off to decent starts.
chaminda_00
Hall of Fame Member
The thing is Karthik left the door open for Sehwag when he failed against Pakistan and pretty badly. After that series India were always going to have to look at other combinations at the top, as Kathik and Jaffer were only doing a better then average job. Chopra would be the man for mine, but his got big cross net to name after failing to covert so many starts into hundreds. So it not surprising that Dravid and Sehwag got a run ahead of Karthik.
Also Sehwag will always look like his batting without a brain, but its effective and got him an average of 50 odd. Yeah it would be great if he looked like he learnt a thing or two like say Jayasuriya, who bats in a similar style. But one could argue Jayasuriya batting for the team at times is the reason why he averages 40 odd, instead of 50 odd. He always looked better when he doesn't give a crap about the situation and just has a hit. Same applies for most batsmen like those two.
Also Sehwag will always look like his batting without a brain, but its effective and got him an average of 50 odd. Yeah it would be great if he looked like he learnt a thing or two like say Jayasuriya, who bats in a similar style. But one could argue Jayasuriya batting for the team at times is the reason why he averages 40 odd, instead of 50 odd. He always looked better when he doesn't give a crap about the situation and just has a hit. Same applies for most batsmen like those two.
gettingbetter
State Vice-Captain
I wouldn't go as far and say it was a faliure on Karthik's behalf. You make it sound like India had to look elsewhere, which they really didn't. if it was against any other team - talking about Australia here now - he would of been selected. You say they were doing a better than average job? Jaffer has quite possibly been india's best batsman in ht elast 12 months and Karthik has performed strongly, strong enough to keep Chopra and Sehwag out.
Your description of Sehwag and Jaya has no logic behind it (Jaya actually calculated his innings, as did Sehwag a few years ago, but at the WACA, he was looking like Afridi), its like Ian Chappell justifying Sehwag's selection by saing 'thats how he plays' which seems to make it all right to get out to rubbish deliveries, it also makes Afridi sound like a decent ODI batsman.
Your description of Sehwag and Jaya has no logic behind it (Jaya actually calculated his innings, as did Sehwag a few years ago, but at the WACA, he was looking like Afridi), its like Ian Chappell justifying Sehwag's selection by saing 'thats how he plays' which seems to make it all right to get out to rubbish deliveries, it also makes Afridi sound like a decent ODI batsman.