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***Official*** India in Australia

aussie_26

School Boy/Girl Captain
In the herald sun today they released a official ICC list of how many offences each side has been found guilty of over the last 10 years

india 43
pakisatn 39
south africa 27
australia 25
england 21
sirlanka 18
zimbabwe 15
new zealand 1 4
west indies 13

looks like its india who need to clean up there act
 

Captain Cricket

State Vice-Captain
In the herald sun today they released a official ICC list of how many offences each side has been found guilty of over the last 10 years

india 43
pakisatn 39
south africa 27
australia 25
england 21
sirlanka 18
zimbabwe 15
new zealand 1 4
west indies 13

looks like its india who need to clean up there act
Ganguly is the player who has committed the most offences too.
 

aussie_26

School Boy/Girl Captain
Ganguly is the player who has committed the most offences too.
and guess who else was on that list? none other than harbijan singh , who would of ever thought that

all this talk about australia not playing within the spirit of the game is rubbish , other sides are just jealous because australia have been dominating world cricket for the past 12 years
 

Craig

World Traveller
In the herald sun today they released a official ICC list of how many offences each side has been found guilty of over the last 10 years

india 43
pakisatn 39
south africa 27
australia 25
england 21
sirlanka 18
zimbabwe 15
new zealand 1 4
west indies 13

looks like its india who need to clean up there act
So should Pakistan. You can add one for the West Indies and from what I've read, Dale Steyn didn't get pulled up.

and guess who else was on that list? none other than harbijan singh , who would of ever thought that

all this talk about australia not playing within the spirit of the game is rubbish , other sides are just jealous because australia have been dominating world cricket for the past 12 years
Throw in fines for SRT and Rahul Dravid for ball tempering.
 
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pasag

RTDAS
Are you Symonds' friend? If so, you can call him a monkey - he doesnt mind.

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ausvind/content/current/story/330663.html
It's a basic concept really. You let your mates call you whatever because theres no offence intended and it's obviously not malicious, but if someone else said the same thing then you'd have every right to get offended. I mean even on CW, two people could write the same posts about me and one I would get offended at and one I wouldn't.
 

pasag

RTDAS
and guess who else was on that list? none other than harbijan singh , who would of ever thought that

all this talk about australia not playing within the spirit of the game is rubbish , other sides are just jealous because australia have been dominating world cricket for the past 12 years
Well Australia don't play within the traditional spirits and ideals of the so called gentleman's game, but:

1) Do other sides play within the spirit of the game?
2) Has the spirit of the game always been a myth, especially when you go back to the forefather of cricket, Grace, who didn't really epitomise it at all?
3) Is there room for the spirit of the game in the age of professionalism of cricket and its multi-million dollar economy?

Regardless the most important point is to not preach one thing and do another. If we're going to be a ruthless side that wins at all cost, I don't think there should be any hiding the matter, same applies to other sides.
 

pasag

RTDAS
In the herald sun today they released a official ICC list of how many offences each side has been found guilty of over the last 10 years

india 43
pakisatn 39
south africa 27
australia 25
england 21
sirlanka 18
zimbabwe 15
new zealand 1 4
west indies 13

looks like its india who need to clean up there act
Other sides could claim they're just targeted more though, I don't think that proves all that much. Would like to see a breakdown of that list as well and what offences it includes. If it's just stuff like poor over rates, the Herald Sun has alot to answer for.
 

NZTailender

I can't believe I ate the whole thing
In the herald sun today they released a official ICC list of how many offences each side has been found guilty of over the last 10 years

india 43
pakisatn 39
south africa 27
australia 25
england 21
sirlanka 18
zimbabwe 15
new zealand 1 4
west indies 13

looks like its india who need to clean up there act
Ganguly is the player who has committed the most offences too.
and guess who else was on that list? none other than harbijan singh , who would of ever thought that

all this talk about australia not playing within the spirit of the game is rubbish , other sides are just jealous because australia have been dominating world cricket for the past 12 years
How's the sand down there?
 

Raghav

International Vice-Captain
In the herald sun today they released a official ICC list of how many offences each side has been found guilty of over the last 10 years

india 43
pakisatn 39
south africa 27
australia 25
england 21
sirlanka 18
zimbabwe 15
new zealand 1 4
west indies 13

looks like its india who need to clean up there act
Yeah right! Its India who needs to rectify their behaviour onfield. We saw many instances where Indian players are being fined for. Not surprsing to see Pakistan in the next spot. Its surprising to see Zimbabwe over NZ and WI
 

aussie_26

School Boy/Girl Captain
Yeah right! Its India who needs to rectify their behaviour onfield. We saw many instances where Indian players are being fined for. Not surprsing to see Pakistan in the next spot. Its surprising to see Zimbabwe over NZ and WI

you know why you here more about australias bad behaviour than you do about other sides? its because australia keep on winning so there is nothing else that people can bag them about, every other side basicly has a few good months than followed by a few bad months so people always have the chance to get stuck into other sides about a poor performance
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
But how is that solution even close to representing a middle ground? Kumble was essentially saying to Ponting that he would offer some sort of meaningless general apology for something that Harbhajan flatly denied doing, and that would be the end of it.

Whether Harbhajan made the comment or not is subject to conjecture. The Australians' position is that Harbhajan racially taunted Symonds in India. The claim that after the match, Symonds approached Harbhajan, explained to him why the term is so offensive, and then was given an assurance by Harbhajan that he wouldn't say the same thing again.

Given that this is the position of the Australians- and that two other Australians claimed that they heard the remark made in Sydney- why would Kumble's solution be even remotely acceptable to Ponting and his players? Kumble was asking Ponting to accept a pretty meaningless apology, that included an express denial of guilt and no sanction against Harbhajan. That isn't asking for a compromise- that's asking for a backdown.

Let's break it down to it's core. Kumble's apology would have essentially been, "We're sorry that Symonds is lying about being racially abused". I can't imagine the person that would consider that a satisfactory outcome if they were the aggrieved party. Kumble wasn't asking for a compromise- he was asking Ponting to back down.

Symonds made the claim, was backed up by two other players, and Harbhajan and his partner at the time denied it. With such a gulf in the claimed facts between the two parties, it is entirely appropriate for the issue to be decided by the mechanism that both teams agreed on before the series, that being the ICC Match Referee hearing.

By declining the suggestion that the matter be basically swept under the carpet, Ponting was backing the right of Symonds to take action when he believed he was racially abused, and backing the integrity of two of his other players when they said that they heard the incident.

No question- Ponting is never going to be up for canonisation, and he could probably improve a few aspects of his personality. But the fact that he is being lambasted for backing his players, while Kumble and the BCCI are being hailed as heroes for backing theirs, is absolutely ridiculous.
OK, I am yet to hear any Indian say that Symonds met Harbhajan off the field and explained to him why a certain word was offensive to him or whatever. I am assuming this supposed event happened in Mumbai and not in Sydney.


But even assuming that it was true, if Symonds himself wasn't up for pressing charges, why are Ponting and Co. so adamant about pursuing it, given that there is no clear evidence as such and the fact that such an issue was always gonna snowball into something very big. At best, Ponting, to me, has shown a clear lack of a bit of common sense, and honestly, it doesn't exactly surprise me...


But one thing though, I managed to watch the clip of that news conference and while Ponting was being a bit of an idiot suggesting the reporter be removed and so on, he did seem honestly incensed at being branded a "cheat". Get the feeling that while he may be an idiot on most occassions, I don't think he is someone who will consciously claim a catch if he knows he has grassed it. The thing is, it seems to me that he is expecting his team mates to be the same and they aren't. That is why the agreement was always gonna be a stupid idea. But I do think Ponting himself, at an individual level, is a pretty honest cricketer when it comes to claiming catches and to that extent, his outburst was understandable, albeit not justifiable.
 

aussie_26

School Boy/Girl Captain
Other sides could claim they're just targeted more though, I don't think that proves all that much. Would like to see a breakdown of that list as well and what offences it includes. If it's just stuff like poor over rates, the Herald Sun has alot to answer for.
I think you will find that those statistics are fair, a offence is a offence

as for other sides being targeted well as long as it is within the rules of the game there isnt a problem at all , these are fully growen men were talking about here not 5 year olds
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Hypocrisy may be thick in the air.....


The local Aussie papers are saying that the phrase used wasn't monkey but a swear phrase in Harbajhan's own language which means mother f......! I'll now wait for someone to run the line that calling someone a b.... is worse then mother f....! Cause I can't conceive that in any culture that could be the case.
certainly not. If that is true, both Hogg and Harbhajan should get the same bans, as both are offensive to the same extent.
 

river end

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Well Australia don't play within the traditional spirits and ideals of the so called gentleman's game, but:

1) Do other sides play within the spirit of the game?
2) Has the spirit of the game always been a myth, especially when you go back to the forefather of cricket, Grace, who didn't really epitomise it at all?
3) Is there room for the spirit of the game in the age of professionalism of cricket and its multi-million dollar economy?
I hate the disgusting "win at all costs" mentality but at the same time, the era of playing in the "spirit of the game" has well and truly passed. It's a fantasy. That sentiment comes from a time when there was no money in the game - it was played for fun.

The ICC has to completely review the way the game is played and administered to reflect the professional era. Which means a review/revamp of the laws of the game so there are NO loopholes. And using TECHNOLOGY to get correct decisions (within reason) not relying on WALKING or a person's "word". REGARDLESS of whether it undermines umpiring traditions.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
My response is pretty much what Bracken replied - I have no problem with Kumble trying to moderate the dispute, but I just think its bizarre on his part that he thought going to Ponting and suggesting that the incident be swept under the carpet in exchange for an apology that was clearly explained to be hollow, as in it was made while saying "I don't believe we have anything to apologise for", would achieve anything. The equivalent would be Ponting going to Kumble and suggesting that while Symonds thought it was the correct thing not to walk when he was out, and that he still thought this was true, that he was prepared to say "sorry" if the Indians were prepared to forget about their concerns re the umpiring and Australian's attitude. It was just a very naive or unrealistic effort at moderation.

Furthermore, I also think its unhelpful for Kumble to publicise this part of the episode, and claiming Ponting was being unreasonable in the process, when the focus of both captains should be on healing the rift and moving forward.
If the charge itself is hollow, as it seems to be in this case, the apology will be hollow too. Can't see why Ponting couldn't see that. If Harbhajan didn't say what he was supposed to have said, then it is clear that it was KUMBLE who was walking the extra miling by being prepared to apologize for what was basically only a misunderstanding and as such, nobody's fault. I still think Ponting has shown shocking lack of common sense on this issue...
 

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