The beginning of the end for sledging?

[Laurrz]

how can u expect 22 men to stay quiet on the field through 5 days?

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Hmm, I recall having a discussion with you where you said winning is the most important thing and I disagreed, saying something along the lines of enjoying yourself is the most important thing, have you changed your position on this recently or have I gotten this wrong.

At the professional level, the object of your vocation is to do it well and achieve the desired end. In cricket, like all top-line sport, it's winning.

Fifth grade hit-outs are whatever you want them to be.

Sport shouldn't be universally simplified to the extent of everybody entering it with the same ideal.

 

[pasag]

At the professional level, the object of your vocation is to do it well and achieve the desired end. In cricket, like all top-line sport, it's winning.

Fifth grade hit-outs are whatever you want them to be.

Sport shouldn't be universally simplified to the extent of everybody entering it with the same ideal.

Any job should be about enjoying yourself really, I think that's the most important thing tbh. Especially in lower level sports, but at the top level as well. I'm not saying not to give 100%, but at the same time when certain behaviour takes the enjoyment out of it for the players and the spectators, as NZTailender said, there's not much point.

 

[Perm]

Hmm, I recall having a discussion with you where you said winning is the most important thing and I disagreed, saying something along the lines of enjoying yourself is the most important thing, have you changed your position on this recently or have I gotten this wrong.

Winning is the most important thing IMO, but with winning comes enjoyment. I haven't changed my stance at all, but I don't think I ever said that you should play cricket just to win. You basically have to enjoy a sport to play it, otherwise it's pointless.

 

[bond21]

stupid question.

Calling someone a monkey(ironic seeing Harbhajan is black) is worse than calling someone a fool. How the hell do you determine a sledge from banter? Unless by sledge you mean calling a player out like harbhajan did to symonds and talking to him.

But noone can stop banter, it has been happening since the dawn of time. the fielding team always talks to the batsmen. If you are too thin skinned to handle it, DONT PLAY CRICKET. Christ, theyre getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to play, I dont think banter on the field will worry them.

the media was in uproar about harbhajan calling symonds a monkey, but he didnt really care. The pot was calling the kettle black.


Also funny how TC thinks because Hogg has been charged hes automatically guilty....

 

[social]

Brad Hogg's ban imo will eventually signal the end to this boorish and totally unsportsmanlike behavior. A good, though long overdue move by the ICC.

If the charge is upheld, then the majority of nations wont be able to field a team as everyone will be on suspension

"bout time the ICC grew some and treated the charge for what it is

 

[pasag]

stupid question.

Calling someone a monkey(ironic seeing Harbhajan is black) is worse than calling someone a fool. How the hell do you determine a sledge from banter? Unless by sledge you mean calling a player out like harbhajan did to symonds and talking to him.

But noone can stop banter, it has been happening since the dawn of time. the fielding team always talks to the batsmen. If you are too thin skinned to handle it, DONT PLAY CRICKET. Christ, theyre getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to play, I dont think banter on the field will worry them.

the media was in uproar about harbhajan calling symonds a monkey, but he didnt really care. The pot was calling the kettle black.


Also funny how TC thinks because Hogg has been charged hes automatically guilty....

Should probably read the whole thread first - http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=1443906&postcount=10

 

[bond21]

ffs thats not sledging kanga kid....

that is banter.

Sledging is when someone is ragging your technique or talking directly to you.

Keeper talking to slips is banter, good players ignore it, bad players go onto a forum like this and whinge.

 

[NZTailender]

ffs thats not sledging kanga kid....

that is banter.

Sledging is when someone is ragging your technique or talking directly to you.

Keeper talking to slips is banter, good players ignore it, bad players go onto a forum like this and whinge.

I know you're a troll, but were you born an imbecile or did you goto a special school where you studied how to be an idiot and graduated the top of your class with a Degree in Stupidity?

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Any job should be about enjoying yourself really, I think that's the most important thing tbh. Especially in lower level sports, but at the top level as well. I'm not saying not to give 100%, but at the same time when certain behaviour takes the enjoyment out of it for the players and the spectators, as NZTailender said, there's not much point.

Oh, sure. I'm not disputing that, I'm just saying that it's in the international cricketer's best interests to take every avenue (within the laws) possible towards victory, given that it's their job description. The expectation to do this, within a team culture and a national culture, ingrains this into the majority of player's mindsets. Contributing in no small measure is the extensive documentation and criticism of player performance in the modern era, which leaves players between a rock and a hard place if they have nothing to show for their efforts.

Not sure how you meant your post, but the gist I got was that winning and enjoyment are mutually exclusive. Not sure I agree.

As claimed by one AR Border:
"I'm sick of being a top bloke and losing. I'd sooner be a prick and win!"

 

[pasag]

Oh, sure. I'm not disputing that, I'm just saying that it's in the international cricketer's best interests to take every avenue (within the laws) possible towards victory, given that it's their job description. The expectation to do this, within a team culture and a national culture, ingrains this into the majority of player's mindsets. Contributing in no small measure is the extensive documentation and criticism of player performance in the modern era, which leaves players between a rock and a hard place if they have nothing to show for their efforts.

Not sure how you meant your post, but the gist I got was that winning and enjoyment are mutually exclusive. Not sure I agree.

As claimed by one AR Border:
"I'm sick of being a top bloke and losing. I'd sooner be a prick and win!"

They're certainly not mutually exclusive but when enjoyment comes at the expense of winning, one is entitled to ask whether it's all worth it.

I raise your quote with another one () from Ian Chappell (ironically and perhaps unrelated) after Australia didn't declare in order to bat out a match so the Ashes had no chance of being lost:

"If that's Test cricket you can stick it up your ****ing ****"

Now obviously you can bring in Bill Lawry's "We did what we came to do", but I'm firmly in the Chappell camp on this one.

 

[The Sean]

Deadset, you're the worst type of **** there is. Why don't you go and step in front a 747 and get sucked into it's engines you degenerate halfwit?

I know you're a troll, but were you born an imbecile or did you goto a special school where you studied how to be an idiot and graduated the top of your class with a Degree in Stupidity?

Regardless of who these comments are being directed at, you must surely be treading a fine line here.

 

[haroon510]

i believe sledging should stay part of cricket but certain rules should be applied.. no racial and family insulting..players who dicerminate any player recially should be ban from playing cricket for a while.. i think i have mention this before that the last time i enjoy this type of incident was Chris Gayle vs Keven Peiterson.. at the end the sportmanship and respect that both men showed proves that sledgin can be entertaining but as long as at end of the day both of the players have respect and sense of sportmanship for each other..

i don't know for some reason one question is bothering me.. why india has been part of these type of conterversies lately. the jelly bean incident in England tour, Symond vs Sreasanth in india, and now symond vs Singh... wether india is guilty and responsible for that or it is their unfurtunate..

 

[Matt79]

I was against banning of sledging, but now I think it's a good idea. The less we can focus on this crap and more on the game, the better.

Agree with this. Although I point out Hogg has been charged, but not banned as yet.

 

[honestbharani]

TBH i think there is a difference between sledging and just being offensive, general banter is a part of the game and so it should stay that way, unpleasant things being said on the field should obviously be stamped on as it's completely unnaceptable, but the general banter which I consider to be sledging will continue I imagine, and theres no real reason why it shouldn't.

AWTA....

 

[Matt79]

I think we've sadly got to the point where there has to be a ban on all talk on the field. I've previously defended the 'hard but fair', 'banter' and 'comments on the game, rather than racist, are ok', but I think it is becoming increasingly clear that its having an impact on the overall spirit in which games are played and on relations between countries. Why say anything? If the only reasons are a) to gain an advantage, and b) amuse yourself and your mates, then you should a) get a grip and try and beat your opponent with bat and ball and nothing else, and b) grow up.

I'd be delighted if the Aussies took a pledge to not talk to the Indian team on-field for the remainder of the series.

 

[shortpitched713]

I don't think there's any reason to ban talking altogether as that would be an extreme to which no major professional sport that I can think of, international or otherwise, has had to go. Obviously the above stated reasons for talking are wholly unnecessary, but there is a third reason that players talk to one another, and that is to maintain a if not warm then at least cordial atmosphere in which the game can be played. No talking would suck the life out of it, and make for a very cold and possibly more heartless game as well. On the other hand players should feel free to report whatever it is that the opposition says that they find offensive, and the match referee will determine whether or not that was "sledging". The previous policy to keep it on the field was simply tacit approval of the kind of bullying that has no place in the sport.

 

[social]

I think we've sadly got to the point where there has to be a ban on all talk on the field. I've previously defended the 'hard but fair', 'banter' and 'comments on the game, rather than racist, are ok', but I think it is becoming increasingly clear that its having an impact on the overall spirit in which games are played and on relations between countries. Why say anything? If the only reasons are a) to gain an advantage, and b) amuse yourself and your mates, then you should a) get a grip and try and beat your opponent with bat and ball and nothing else, and b) grow up.

I'd be delighted if the Aussies took a pledge to not talk to the Indian team on-field for the remainder of the series.

How many major international sports, other than golf, dont have sledging?

 

[NZTailender]

Regardless of who these comments are being directed at, you must surely be treading a fine line here.

And because you posted this, pasag didn't feel the need to give me an official warning since you have basically said what he would've.

Which kind of ruins the point I was trying to make. Personal abuse - unacceptable, and can be policed efficiently by officials.

 

[Johnners]

How many major international sports, other than golf, dont have sledging?

Golf should have it imo. Can Imagine Woods telling Mickleson he's a got a ****ty swing or something like that, would be gold. Especially after all the crowd applauds it.