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***Official*** India in Australia

adharcric

International Coach
Disappointed on 2 fronts with the Indian team selection. Firstly, our 2 reserve fast bowlers seriously lack in experience - Ishant Sharma and Pankaj Singh. If one of the 3 fast bowlers get injured, we might have to play one of Sharma and Singh in a test in Australia. Agh. Munaf Patel would have been a better option IMO. He may be like Akhtar in that he finds it difficult to play all tests in a series but if we used him properly, he could have been a good reserve option at least. Inzamam talked in an interview how he used to save Akhtar for crucial matches and not play him every time. Perhaps we need to do some thing similar with Munaf. Pankaj Singh is a tall fast bowler who has taken 5 wickets v Mumbai recently but really, do we want to blood or try some one like him on a tough tour like Australia.

If I was Chopra, I would be pissed. This guy has been making runs after runs after runs and yet, he can't get into the Indian test team. Sehwag hasn't done any thing of note recently to deserve a place in the test side right now. He doesn't fill me with confidence. Given that he is Sehwag and he might deliver some of his old magic, it is okay if the selectors feel that they should select him. However, they should have then gone for a reserve opener in the form of Chopra (or Uthappa). They should have been brave enough and dropped one of Karthik and Dhoni from the team or taken a fast bowler less. If Sehwag doesn't work, we would have the real possibility of Karthik opening again and that doesn't fill me with any confidence. Just don't open with Dravid - I am hearing every one talk of the real possibility of Dravid opening from honestbharani to Chetan Sharma. Even trying out Yuvraj to open (though I am not adverse to the move of Yuvraj opening as I have said several times) for the first time is not an ideal scenario in a tour like Australia but that is what happens (agh again) when you do not choose some one like Chopra in the side.

Over all, this team might work if people are firing. The weakness with the squad, however, is that the bench options - a strength of India over the past 12 months, is not solid enough. So if the first XI or the 12th option doesn't gel, we would have to look at carrying a player like Ishant Sharma or Singh in the XI (Forget Singh, even Ishant Sharma, while he might be a decent option for the future but really, do we want him to play in a first XI in a test in Australia) and that is inviting trouble as Sri Lanka found out by playing Fernando in the test XI.
You would play Zaheer, RPS and Irfan as the seam attack? Not so sure about Irfan over Ishant, actually. Sharma may fare better than expected in Australian conditions. Same goes for Pankaj Singh with his height and bounce but I'd rather not give him a debut on this tour. That warm-up match will be huge. Do we get to play more than XI?
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
You would play Zaheer, RPS and Irfan as the seam attack? Not so sure about Irfan over Ishant, actually. Sharma may fare better than expected in Australian conditions. Same goes for Pankaj Singh with his height and bounce but I'd rather not give him a debut on this tour. That warm-up match will be huge. Do we get to play more than XI?
It is very difficult to get the length right in Australia. I cannot be sure that an inexperienced bowler like Ishant Sharma or Pankaj Singh would be able to do that successfully. Tests abroad are an experience in themselves and Australia is not the place to try and get your bearings right.

Irfan Pathan on the other hand has bowled in Australia and even on his first tour, he bowled in good spots - not some thing you see often from new bowlers. He is bowling fairly well right now. Plus, he adds depth with the bat (though batting ability wouldn't be a criteria for choosing him ahead of any one).

The only problem with playing Zaheer, RP and Pathan together is that it is an all left arm attack. However, I would try and choose my best attack and not worry whether it is right or left handed - it is like the opening problem India has had over the years - who cares which hand the opener can bat with as long as he can bat given the dirth of openers we have had.

The only other option according to me is playing 2 spinners - an option I am not comfortable with except maybe if it is Sydney offering spin.

Don't think we would be able to play more than XI in a tour game - Australian tour games have 11 players each side usually.
 
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
PANKAJ SINGH
What do we know of him?....

.....see adharcric's next post

:)
 
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Evermind

International Debutant
If I was Chopra, I would be pissed. This guy has been making runs after runs after runs and yet, he can't get into the Indian test team.
But he has had ten chances, and made very, very little of those.

Tests 10 19 0 437 60 23.00 1263 34.60 0 2 49 0 15 0

Although I agree that they should definitely make the transition easier from the older generation to the younger, how many chances must Chopra and Gambhir and Uthappa etc be given until they start performing consistently?

Though I agree that Chopra vs Sehwag is a tough one, as Sehwag's been given even more chances and has a miserable record in the past few tests.

Say, whatever happened to Chawla? I hear he was next in line for a spin spot? Could they have chosen him over a very ineffective Harbhajan?
 

TheLad

School Boy/Girl Captain
^ He just means to say that Chopra's recent FC record is better than Sehwag.
Serious question for the Indian fans.

Since Chopras last spell in Test cricket has he found runs easier to come by.

By that I mean he always had a good eye and Technique but he was struggling to play scoring shots and would spend large amounts of time scoring very few runs, which allowed the bowlers to find their spots to get him out without pressure.

If this has improved than I can see why you would be calling him back but If we were going to see something similar I really think a tour of Australia would find him out.
 

Nishant

International 12th Man
Serious question for the Indian fans.

Since Chopras last spell in Test cricket has he found runs easier to come by.

By that I mean he always had a good eye and Technique but he was struggling to play scoring shots and would spend large amounts of time scoring very few runs, which allowed the bowlers to find their spots to get him out without pressure.

If this has improved than I can see why you would be calling him back but If we were going to see something similar I really think a tour of Australia would find him out.
i agree...i remeber why Chopra was figured out now and how he started well but then was not able to play enough scoring shots. In the modern game where the bowlers ahve good tactics ( especially teams like the aussies) thats not good enough.
 

Manee

Cricketer Of The Year
Serious question for the Indian fans.

Since Chopras last spell in Test cricket has he found runs easier to come by.
Have not seen him bat since his Test stint but his FC strike rates seem to be up in the 50s and 60s.
 

jeevan

International 12th Man
Current Ranji Super League batting stats for tChopra, Gambhir & Sehwag (all of whom play for Delhi)

Chopra : 568 from 10 innings, 1 no, 2 100's 2 50's
Gambhir: 342 from 4 innings, 1 no, 2 100's 1 150's
Sehwag: 66 from 5 innings (yes sixty six) with top top score of 32.
 

biased indian

International Coach
Current Ranji Super League batting stats for tChopra, Gambhir & Sehwag (all of whom play for Delhi)

Chopra : 568 from 10 innings, 1 no, 2 100's 2 50's
Gambhir: 342 from 4 innings, 1 no, 2 100's 1 150's
Sehwag: 66 from 5 innings (yes sixty six) with top top score of 32.
which clearly tell u u cannot go alone by stats..lok what gambir has done...

ya ..chopra has all the rights to be disappointed..but given a choice...may be i would also have taken sehwag instead to australia...not because he was succesful in the last tour..but he was playing internation games very recently ..and u r in no way sure that chopra is going to be great hit in australia..and most probably in the first match team is going to open with jaffer and karthick...that is the feeling that i get because..kumble did give karthik a longer stint at the crease in the last match..
 

jeevan

International 12th Man
which clearly tell u u cannot go alone by stats..lok what gambir has done...

ya ..chopra has all the rights to be disappointed..but given a choice...may be i would also have taken sehwag instead to australia...not because he was succesful in the last tour..but he was playing internation games very recently ..and u r in no way sure that chopra is going to be great hit in australia..and most probably in the first match team is going to open with jaffer and karthick...that is the feeling that i get because..kumble did give karthik a longer stint at the crease in the last match..
OK Lets look at what he did internationally then, when he got 3 chances at the expense of Dravid. He scored 25,43,10:

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ausvind/content/current/story/325181.html

" And in each of those knocks a Sehwag flaw revealed itself. In the first game, after getting a start, he made room to cut Shahid Afridi, a loose shot at best; in the second he was run out where a dive would have saved him; the third was a flash outside off to the left-arm angle of Sohail Tanvir."

Gambhir (or Uthappa) do not appear solid and so is unable to translate domestic scores on to the big stage. Can hardly say that about Chopra. Slow & steady, just the frontman for a good batting lineup.
 

alternative

Cricket Web Content Updater
Raina hasn't been in the picture for a long while now, however Tiwary and Badrinath would be definitely hard done by.
 

jeevan

International 12th Man
Raina hasn't been in the picture for a long while now, however Tiwary and Badrinath would be definitely hard done by.
Why? We have a vacancy for an opener, these guys are middle order bats. The Indian middle order wasnt giving Yuvraj ]the time of day till Tendulkar injured himself.

Chopra is not the next best batsman in India by a lot, he may be the next best test opener in India on current form (after Jaffer).

If a middle order bat can hack at the opening, we still have better candidates in the selected squad (Dravid, Laxman have done it and Yuvraj is an interesting thought).
 

alternative

Cricket Web Content Updater
Yeh true, just meaning to say that the also deserved an oppportunity and they need to wait longer. That's all. They are by no means gonna get an opportunity as of now since Yuvraj his in the form of his life.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
There are many players who are upset - Badrinath, Raina, Tiwary. These guys are in line before Chopra - a reminder.
Erm not really. Badrinath, Raina and Tiwary are middle order batsmen and there is no place open in the middle order. They had zero chance of making the squad right now.
 

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