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Raghav
International Vice-Captain
Yes. He has been in some form against South africans. I would expect him to perform in the Chapple - Hadlee as this is the best time for him to cement his place in the NZ middle order. I also hope that How will also bring some stability in the NZ batting in this series. For this to happen, lot of concentration and application is needed. All the best Sinclair and How!
Natman20
International Debutant
What he needs is to be on the test team as a specialist not in the ODI squad IMO. This may only get him dropped for good. I hope not. I hope he plays well and proves me wrong.
Athlai
Not Terrible
I recently analysed this and when Franklin and Bond are playing together, Franklins statistics are significantly better. And even better than that since Gillespies debut and in Franklins most recent matches he averages better and has a lower economy than anytime in his career.
People still bash him though.
Fiery
Banned
More than handy with the bat too
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
This is exactly why he always get dropped from the test side. He usually gets brought back into the test side after everyone else fails and does decently, but because NZ don't play many tests, they play him in the ODIs as well and he fails (because, shock horror, he's not that good at ODIs). But not only does he get (justifiably) dropped from the ODI side - he gets dropped from the test side as well based on poor ODI performances, which is complete lunacy.
I don't have many problems with him being in the ODI team this time around as NZ really don't have any other options (well, except Fulton, but they obviously didn't deem him fit enough given they've kept Hopkins around) but if he fails and gets dropped, he should still be in the test setup. He'll probably be cast aside again though, so I'd rather him not play ODIs at all as to stop the illusion of failure.
Flem274*
123/5
Gillespies a gun with the bat. Haven't you seen his french cut?
Hmmm the Aussies aren't as invincible as some people are painting them up to be. Lack of a genuine allrounder who is a decent fifth bowler and Tait and Johnson are both very hittable. It was a good Tait day in the 20/20 but I'm not convinced as of yet that he can perform consistently. I think Johnson will just be a faster Franklin, save him for tests.
Mills and Gillespie should not bowl at the death. I'd get Patel and Styris to do that job. They'd take the pace off the ball, go for less runs and in Patel's case be a royal pain in the backside. Patel should be our go to option instead of Vettori because he can contain just as well and is more likely to get wickets. He had Ponting under real pressure in the WC in the West Indies and is at the very least going to remembered as being very good. Sadly Vettori will probably bar his way into a shot at our number one spinner ever slotbecause Vettori is our best spinner ever ATM and is keeping his place due to quality bowling and the captaincy.
McCullum and Vincent shouldn't open together. Far too unstable for my liking and that will put pressure on How who is just starting his international career ATM. I think people, especially talkback callers, are judging him unfairly on his 20/20 performance. 20/20 just isn't his game. He likes to settle in, get to 20 odd like a brick wall then kick on with a good strike rate, a bit like Peter Fulton used to do back in the CB series.
Vincent and Taylor look absolutely awful ATM and Peter Fulton should replace one of those two. Fulton is probably our best batsman and everyone seems to forget his quality and go on about Taylor and Styris as the best in the side. Fulton will average over 40 in ODI's if he isn't screwed around with and made to open etc. I'd also like to see Sinclair at 3 because he's a potential matchwinner that naturally plays in the top order.
I think we should also fly over Adams as we should use him while he's in form. We've already seen with Papps that last seasons domestic form means nothing and now he hasn't set the world on fire in his return to domestic cricket either. If he'd been in the side last year when he was running hot he could have cemented a place. I'd also like to see Bradley Scott in place of Martin in that squad.
slugger
State Vice-Captain
they are all valid points... if sinclair has any desire to play the home odi + the test series against england these 3 odi matches are his chance to cernment himself a spot.. as he is more than likely to play a tests against Bang.. which should get him in the tests against england...
Flem274*
123/5
I think he can succeed in ODI's, he's no snail with his SR. Agreed about our lunacy in test selection though, and if Fulton can score 100 in a FC game then he's fit enough for me.
Burgey
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Flem,
You raise some good points here. Tait is a bit wild and woolly, but then again he had a pretty good WC in Lee's absence.
The Aussies just rate themselves highly enough to go for broke and all out attack, even in ODIs & T20. Might be a different story on the flat deck at Adelaide though.
I also think you're right re the bowling at the death, and especially about Scott Styris. I think he's an excellent ODI player.
You raise some good points here. Tait is a bit wild and woolly, but then again he had a pretty good WC in Lee's absence.
The Aussies just rate themselves highly enough to go for broke and all out attack, even in ODIs & T20. Might be a different story on the flat deck at Adelaide though.
I also think you're right re the bowling at the death, and especially about Scott Styris. I think he's an excellent ODI player.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Styris has bowled poorly for a while now he'd just get hit.
Gillespie is also a "specialist" death bowler so I don't think we should wrap him up in cotton wool and keep him from something he is supposed to be adept at.
I hate the idea of bowling Patel at the death as while he may trouble the batsman and get wickets he will certainly get hit and my heart would break if a Yuvraj style 6 6's went his way. Conditions may determine that this could be viable at times, but certainly not as a rule should we ever bowl a spinner at the death. If they are 6-7 down then sure, keep the pressure on, but if they are flying then we'd just be throwing Patel to the wolves.
Gillespie is also a "specialist" death bowler so I don't think we should wrap him up in cotton wool and keep him from something he is supposed to be adept at.
I hate the idea of bowling Patel at the death as while he may trouble the batsman and get wickets he will certainly get hit and my heart would break if a Yuvraj style 6 6's went his way. Conditions may determine that this could be viable at times, but certainly not as a rule should we ever bowl a spinner at the death. If they are 6-7 down then sure, keep the pressure on, but if they are flying then we'd just be throwing Patel to the wolves.
i think they will all play
Tait's home ground is adelaide.. his hunting ground.. has a lot of success here as he does anywhere in Aus really..
pup11
International Coach
Yeah expect some ripping reversing toe-crushers from Taity at the Adelaide oval.
pup11
International Coach
Flem274*
123/5
Gillespie is just a crap one day bowler.
Patel and Styris are the lesser of the evils, I considered Oram but I think he'd be too predictable.
Heard on the radio that Vettori thinks Tait's action is suspect and heas talked with John Bracewell. I think its slingy more than anything but it could be worth checking so we don't get the whole Murali thing a few years later. I reckon Brett Lee's effort ball and Kyle Mills' action are worse. IIRC Danny Morrison at some point said his effort ball was a chuck so it seems to be mlore common than we thought.
Flem274*
123/5
Passionate Auckland fan I see.
He's good in FC cricket but his bowling on flat one day decks is suspect. Doesn't have the pace IMO. He'll have the problem Mason has. Should be right in tests though.
Fiery
Banned
I'm an ND supporter Flem. You should know that mate. Grew up in Matamata