***Official*** New Zealand in Australia

[Flem274*]

Looks that way to me. Is that the first time the Chairman's XI has ended a player's international career? How shameful.

I think it was kind TBH. If he'd played against Aussie he would have had his confidence raped and murdered. Excellent domestic bowler but just doesn't have what it takes to succeed in international cricket.

 

[Nate]

Some good news for NZ fans:

Pace bowler O'Brien to return to NZ
Saturday December 8, 3:57 PM
AAP

New Zealand seam bowler Iain O'Brien will return home from his side's short tour of Australia, New Zealand Cricket said in a statement.

O'Brien will be available for his Wellington provincial side for their match against Central Districts on Monday.

No reason was given for O'Brien's return to New Zealand and he will now miss the Twenty20 international against Australia and the three-match Chappell-Hadlee one-day series.

O'Brien, who played in the two-Test series loss to South Africa, conceded 52 runs in just four overs against a Cricket Australia Chairman's XI on Friday.

New Zealand lost the match by seven runs.

Haha, loled so much when I read this. Poor guy. Rip it up in Domestic Cricket my friend.

 

[Laurrz]

I was assuming that all teams would be at full strength, hence Ravi Bopara wouldn't be in the English side. However I do feel Hussey is better than Bopara. Hashim Amla is in strong form at the moment, and looks to have redeveloped his technique, so I doubt Hussey would slot into the South African side in place of him. Amla also has a very good average, once you take away his Test record.

true Flintoff would come in for Bopara..though i feel if Hussey did make it in other teams, he'd most likely kill it anyway imo
but Amla is settling now.. but before when he wasnt set perhaps Huss woulda made it
see a lot of those guys had heaps of time to settle.. i think given the oppotunity huss would be like one of em and better as well
i dont feel this only with Huss but with a few of the other batsmen in this country..we hav a ****load of good batsmen around 28-32 that is wasted i recn

County cricket is an easy way to score runs, just look at the records of some of the overseas players who have had extended careers. Almost all of them will have improved their career average by cashing in against low quality opposition. This is particularly true for David Hussey, who plays in Division Two. There were twenty five players who averaged over 50 during the last county season, and that is for Division Two alone.

point taken, so how about an english players FC record? should that not be taken into consideration seriously?

and yes i agree that Katich and Hodge are prolly ahead of him..he's personally my fav of the lot tho

 

[Richard]

Some good news for NZ fans:

Pace bowler O'Brien to return to NZ
Saturday December 8, 3:57 PM
AAP

New Zealand seam bowler Iain O'Brien will return home from his side's short tour of Australia, New Zealand Cricket said in a statement.

O'Brien will be available for his Wellington provincial side for their match against Central Districts on Monday.

No reason was given for O'Brien's return to New Zealand and he will now miss the Twenty20 international against Australia and the three-match Chappell-Hadlee one-day series.

O'Brien, who played in the two-Test series loss to South Africa, conceded 52 runs in just four overs against a Cricket Australia Chairman's XI on Friday.

New Zealand lost the match by seven runs.

Could be the first time a player has been sent home from a tour for simply being so dire

Can't think it'll have happened many times TBH.

I think it was kind TBH. If he'd played against Aussie he would have had his confidence raped and murdered. Excellent domestic bowler but just doesn't have what it takes to succeed in international cricket.

And absolutely. Might seem to be a bit of a disgrace, but it'd almost certainly have been worse to play against ODIs against Australia. Very messy.

 

[mikeW]

You've picked out one point of my argument, presumably you agree with the rest of it?

It is true that most Australian batsmen boost their average by scoring runs in County Cricket. Katich, Hodge, Michael Hussey, David Hussey, Lehmann, the list goes on. Nobody is denying that Michael Hussey has done the same thing, but how is it relevant to the discussion at hand? You're failing to grasp the concept that David Hussey isn't good enough to displace any of the current Australian middle order batsmen, hence he shouldn't be in the Test team until one of the incumbents doesn't deserve to be.

I wasn't argueing that he should be in the test team my conplaint is that he doesn't seem to be in contention for a place which he should be. Katich has been tried and failed at international level whilst Hodge hasn't set the world on fire either.

 

[Laurrz]

I wasn't argueing that he should be in the test team my conplaint is that he doesn't seem to be in contention for a place which he should be. Katich has been tried and failed at international level whilst Hodge hasn't set the world on fire either.

yea those two have been tried before and given chances..

 

[pup11]

You're failing to grasp the concept that David Hussey isn't good enough to displace any of the current Australian middle order batsmen, hence he shouldn't be in the Test team until one of the incumbents doesn't deserve to be.

You are the one who doesn't seem to be getting the point mate, we (Laurrz, myself and mike) are trying to say that Hussey has been in exceptional form in the last 3 seasons both in Australian domestic cricket and English County cricket and not even once has his name been even considered for selection which is simply ****ing dire, people like Haddin (as batsman), Voges and White have been prefered ahead of him when if given a chance he could have performed better than all three of them, i think he could be a superb no.7 in Odi's for Australia because he is a fantastic strokeplayer and he is definitely a better test batsman than Symonds.

 

[Johnners]

I wasn't argueing that he should be in the test team my conplaint is that he doesn't seem to be in contention for a place which he should be. Katich has been tried and failed at international level whilst Hodge hasn't set the world on fire either.

Worst argument re: Katich. Plenty of batsmen have made mediocre starts, been dropped, come back into the test team and cement their place. Fact of the matter is, Katich IS a better batsmen than Hussey, and he is also in superior form, so there is absolutely no way D Hussey should be ahead of S Katich in terms of selection for the Australian Test Team.

 

[Johnners]

You are the one who doesn't seem to be getting the point mate, we (Laurrz, myself and mike) are trying to say that Hussey has been in exceptional form in the last 3 seasons both in Australian domestic cricket and English County cricket and not even once has his name been even considered for selection which is simply ****ing dire, people like Haddin (as batsman), Voges and White have been prefered ahead of him when if given a chance he could have performed better than all three of them, i think he could be a superb no.7 in Odi's for Australia because he is a fantastic strokeplayer and he is definitely a better test batsman than Symonds.

Why would we bat Hussey at no.7 in ODIs when that would clearly leave us 1 bowling option short. Yes i know you're going to say Symonds/Clarke/Hussey are going to make up the overs, but fact of the matter is, Hopes/Watson are far better bowlers than any of them, and whilst they may not be as well suited to batting at 7 as Hussey, they aren't mugs with the bat.

Voges & White were, and have been preferred ahead of David in the past because they've been in better form at the time of selection, and have since done nothing wrong (i.e. they're both in good OD form) to deserve what would basically be a demotion. Also, whilst Hussey has been in good OD form, it can certainly be argued that he's been in no better form than either Voges or White, so basically its tough **** for Dave.

 

[timli]

20/20 FTW

haha. clarkey to do something BIG. do you think he'd bowl himself? haha

 

[NUFAN]

20/20 FTW

haha. clarkey to do something BIG. do you think he'd bowl himself? haha

2 posts in 2 years and that's all you could come up with!

What big do you expect him to do? Should I wait another year for the answer?

 

[Perm]

I wasn't argueing that he should be in the test team my conplaint is that he doesn't seem to be in contention for a place which he should be. Katich has been tried and failed at international level whilst Hodge hasn't set the world on fire either.

Yeah, Hodge's Test average of 58 just isn't good enough. Equally, Simon Katich, one of the heaviest scorers in Pura Cup history doesn't deserve another shot. What about all the other batsmen that had mediocre starts and then returned to the Test arena to score heavily?

 

[Perm]

You are the one who doesn't seem to be getting the point mate, we (Laurrz, myself and mike) are trying to say that Hussey has been in exceptional form in the last 3 seasons both in Australian domestic cricket and English County cricket and not even once has his name been even considered for selection which is simply ****ing dire, people like Haddin (as batsman), Voges and White have been prefered ahead of him when if given a chance he could have performed better than all three of them, i think he could be a superb no.7 in Odi's for Australia because he is a fantastic strokeplayer and he is definitely a better test batsman than Symonds.

I know exactly what you are saying, but what it comes down to is that David Hussey is 30 and not actually that good.

Brad Haddin has been in superb limited overs form in the last few years, is seen to be good enough to represent Australia and will likely get a few years in both Test and ODI side when Gilchrist retires in a few years time. Voges is also seen to be part of the future of Australian cricket, hence his ODI selection while Cameron White is far more suited to #7 than most other batsmen in the country. You say that Hussey could have performed better than all of them, but you have no proof. He could bat #7. but then Australia would be left without another bowling option and Andrew Symonds is being selected as an all-rounder, so they aren't in competition with each other.

 

[Fiery]

Perm, constantly saying Dave Hussey is simply not good enough to play test cricket is insulting to the man and his fans. How do you know if he's not good enough when he hasn't played yet? Worst argument. I'm sure he's very much in the selector's minds should the opportunity present itself through injury or very poor form from other players. I doubt whether he would behind Hodge now either

 

[NZTailender]

I wasn't argueing that he should be in the test team my conplaint is that he doesn't seem to be in contention for a place which he should be. Katich has been tried and failed at international level whilst Hodge hasn't set the world on fire either.

FFS this is such a common misconception. Anyone who averages around 37 opening the batting would be considered a success. He wasn't tried and failed, he was tried and fell out of favour with selectors and the public.


Katich>>>>>>>>>>>>>>David Hussey.

 

[NZTailender]

Yeah, Hodge's Test average of 58 just isn't good enough. Equally, Simon Katich, one of the heaviest scorers in Pura Cup history doesn't deserve another shot. What about all the other batsmen that had mediocre starts and then returned to the Test arena to score heavily?

Or batsman who have had good starts, then a mediocre patch, only to get dropped and then gun it on their return - like Michael Clarke. Who, IIRC, averaged the same as Katich when he was dropped.

 

[Flem274*]

Simon Katich is a gun. Pissed that Symonds got in the test squad ahead of him.

Dave Hussey is a good FC batsman but why should Brad Hodge miss out on selection when he's had plenty of success to a guy who is unproven and doesn't outdo Hodge in domestic cricket? Michael Mason had to wait ages to play for us despite having a gun FC record because there were guys ahead of him getting the results. (I know thats not the best example but I'm a CD fan. I spose it works the same for Oram and Adams missing out for a bit because of Cairns, Harris and McMillan)

The argument that Hussey would make every other international side is wrong and completely irrelevant because he doesn't play for them because he's an Aussie.

If Hodge and Katich get chances then fail then Hussey should get a game otherwise no.

 

[Prince EWS]

He could bat #7. but then Australia would be left without another bowling option and Andrew Symonds is being selected as an all-rounder, so they aren't in competition with each other.

Have you seen Hussey bowl? He's certainly a better spin bowler than Symonds and White AFAIC.

Perm, constantly saying Dave Hussey is simply not good enough to play test cricket is insulting to the man and his fans. How do you know if he's not good enough when he hasn't played yet? Worst argument. I'm sure he's very much in the selector's minds should the opportunity present itself through injury or very poor form from other players. I doubt whether he would behind Hodge now either

The thing is, though, his fans have nothing to whinge about, yet they try to do so, regularly. The most bemusing part of it is that they claim he's not even in contention for selection - how on earth do they know this? He could very well be in contention for selection and just miss out all the time for various reasons.

As far as first class cricket goes, he is dreadfully inconsistent and it wasn't that long ago he was dropped from the Victorian team. His scoring patten tends to resemble {124, 253*, 112, 4, 5, 1, 12, 0, 142} in first class cricket and it's not really what the Australian team are looking for. Not to mention the fact that middle order batting spots haven't been opening up like cans of soup in the test team.

His one day credentials are a bit different - he's a much more consistent batsman in that format and his claims are quite justified. I'm sure he's on the cusp of selection quite often, but others have been selected ahead of him for various reasons. Cameron White was in better form with the bat when selected, is more suited to #7 and was perceived as a bowling option. The criticism of the Voges selection does my head in - he's a few years younger than Hussey and has a much better record in one day cricket than Hussey. Hodge had experience at international level when picked and also has a better record in one day cricket than Hussey. Haddin has often been selected in squads as a wicket keeping option when touring and then played as a batsman anyway, but this is to groom him into international cricket and prepare for the retirement of Gilchrist.

Hussey may be good enough, he may not be. But to think he's been done some massive injustice by not being selected, or to assume he's not in contention at all, would be ridiculous.

 

[mikeW]

FFS this is such a common misconception. Anyone who averages around 37 opening the batting would be considered a success. He wasn't tried and failed, he was tried and fell out of favour with selectors and the public.


Katich>>>>>>>>>>>>>>David Hussey.

37 is not acceptable for us when we have other highly talented players in the country. Australia doesn't accept mediocrity.

EWS re: him being incosistant, whilst i agree in the past he did tend to do that in recent times he has matured and improved that part of his game. I actually disagree about him being better credentialled in the one day form. His performances haven't really been that staggering compared to his 4 day form.

 

[mikeW]

Yeah, Hodge's Test average of 58 just isn't good enough. Equally, Simon Katich, one of the heaviest scorers in Pura Cup history doesn't deserve another shot. What about all the other batsmen that had mediocre starts and then returned to the Test arena to score heavily?

Katich had a sustained period in the Australian team and was found wanting. His Domestic form has never come into question, he has always been able to do that at Pura Cup/County level.