Congratulations Murali

[Richard]

Point remains that Ashraful and other top order batsmen from BD are way better than Mcgrath and many other tail order batsmen from other countries.

So are some batsmen some bowlers have bowled to at the domestic level. Should we start including them now?

The issue is not about the batsmen, but the team and the long-term performance of the team. And nothing but that.

 

[SJS]

Hi Archie,

Just for the record, the only reason I asked for there not to be a discussion on Murali's action on the last thread was because I was trying to get a discussion going re his record vs Australia and where that leves him vis-a-vis other players whose records are not considered as good because they didnt set the world alight in certain parts of the world.

I wasn't trying to stymie a debate on his action, rather I was hoping to limit the discussion, if possible, to where he should be regarded because of his record out here.

I tend to agree. There is nothing more to be squeezed out of the Murali-action debate. All it does is terminate every other thing being discussed and hijacks each and every thread.

We should avoid further beating of the dead horse that Murali-chucker-or-not debate surely is since nothing is going to come out of it and none of us are going to be any the wiser for it.

It would be nice to appreciate Murali (or debate his negatives and his position in the pantheon of bowlers as a pure spinner) without recourse to the legality or otherwise of his action.

 

[roseboy64]

Point remains that Ashraful and other top order batsmen from BD are way better than Mcgrath and many other tail order batsmen from other countries. So if we are talking about 'TEST CLASS' wickets then we need to define what is 'TEST CLASS' First.

Is a batsman test class by virture of playing for a so called test class team ? If not then Shane Warne's record doesn't include all test class batsman either.

Richard already left out Warne's wickets which means he has the most wickets ever not Murali.

 

[roseboy64]

Possibly the worst batsman I've ever seen who a large number of people are actually under the impression can actually bat.

Would like to know why we are all so deluded? Don't know how you can rate Bashar over him TBH.

 

[shortpitched713]

Richard already left out Warne's wickets which means he has the most wickets ever not Murali.

I think hes also talking about tailenders there.

 

[shortpitched713]

Would like to know why we are all so deluded? Don't know how you can rate Bashar over him TBH.

As a Test batsman I'd take Bashar over him anytime. In fact I'd take almost any Test batsmen in World cricket over Ashraful at most times.

 

[Rebecca]

You must understand you can not say anything bad about the Murali action in this thread because it is a tribute thread, you can't say anything about Murali in the other thread because in the first post the thread starter asked people do not mention it

I am wondering in the next Murali thread started what the reason will be?

'Don't mention his action in this thread because it is Murali's birthday this month' Or the 100th post in this thread requested no more mention of his action'

Too Precious these Murali supporters me thinks

At last!
I've found someone else on here who talks sense.

 

[Richard]

Would like to know why we are all so deluded? Don't know how you can rate Bashar over him TBH.

As a Test batsman I'd take Bashar over him anytime. In fact I'd take almost any Test batsmen in World cricket over Ashraful at most times.

Not sure why so many people are mistaken (wouldn't go so far as to say deluded). But Ashraful, well... he's the classic case of person being young (though nowhere near so young as he once was), playing lots of shots and automatically being assumed to have potential.

I've seen it so many times. If Ashraful was, say, South African there's no way he'd have got near franchise cricket never mind international. It's only because he's Bangladeshi that he's played as many games as he has. I never, ever, ever see him doing much of note in international cricket. Impetuosity like that is well enough impossible to curb to the requistite degree.

 

[archie mac]

Why mention Murali's action in a thread congratulating him on his achievements?

Warne is relevant as one of the multitude of players who wouldn't be a mole on Murali's face.

Too childish to even comment on that post tbh

 

[silentstriker]

Too childish to even comment on that post tbh

And yet, you just did.

 

[archie mac]

Because some idiots are derailing this thread with the same inane thoughts on his action that we've heard before. If you want to discuss it, that's your right, but take it to another thread.

I don't personally think people should be either ittbk, but I do feel people are far too precious about it, and I will defend their right to talk about cricket on a cricket forum, without calling them Morons, or idiots

Just ignore them, the mods will let them know if they have crossed the line, you can tell them for instance

 

[archie mac]

Murali is not sacrosanct and neither are you and your posts.


The fact is, as others have pointed out, there are threads to discuss his action and stuff, but the matter itself has been done to death and in a tribute thread or in a thread SPECIFICALLY made to discuss abt his record in Australia (doesn't have anything to do with his action), there is no reason to keep flogging the dead horse again and again. As I have said, you are not going to change either your opinion or others' with your posts on the said issue, so why bother bringing it up in every thread abt Murali, esp. when it is a tribute thread or a thread where the starter has requested that the issue NOT be brought up.

And where did I say my posts were or have ever been???

Oh you mean like 'Richards should not be considered an all time great' or 'Lillee is a greentop bully'

 

[archie mac]

I dont know what they will do. I just thought your posts were seriously taking this thread in another direction (which it certainly has, thanks to your egotistical and almost bullish attitude) hence reported it. After what you did, It was not very difficult to guess that this thread was going to become Warne the Drug cheat Vs. Murali the chuck cheat.

My posts? One post, the rest are just replies to others, or am I not allowed to reply to posts directed at me?

Don't reply and you won't hear from me

 

[silentstriker]

I don't personally think people should be either ittbk, but I do feel people are far too precious about it, and I will defend their right to talk about cricket on a cricket forum, without calling them Morons, or idiots

Just ignore them, the mods will let them know if they have crossed the line, you can tell them for instance

If I moderated people for taking threads off topic, there would be no threads left. But as a member, I can certainly voice my displeasure at people who, perhaps for no other reason than to be vindictive, seem to want to spoil a good thing by dragging it through the mud even though there are other places for them to voice their displeasure.

I could, for example, mention my opinion on guys I feel are cheaters, or are overrated, every time they are mentioned, just for the sake of saying it. But I don't, because not only is it tiresome, but it is quite tasteless to take the same shots over and over again in threads that are made for a completely separate reason.

Speaking as a member, personally, I am tired of putting up with people like that. I am going back and finding every member who consistently does that towards a player/team/whatever, and simply putting them on my ignore list (and Murali is just one of about six topics that constantly annoy me in the forum). It's about to swell from three people to twenty, but I see no other way. I highly suggest that others on the forum (on all sides) do the same, rather than taking the bait and helping to ruin the thread.

I've said my piece. Make of it what you will. I'm out of this thread.

Congratulations to Murali.

 

[archie mac]

Well let me also congratulate Murali, a great effort no matter which angle or opinion you view it from. I imagine there has never been a player under more pressure or scrutiny every time he bowls

 

[JBH001]

Well argued

Thats a bit rich, coming from you on this topic, isnt it?

Your inane and repetitive comments on this topic are monotonous and, to be kind, utter drivel. If you had some real points besides "because I say so" you might get just a little traction with your posts in this context - but all you do is end up looking like a blithering idiot.

Just another case of a golden, or in your case, tin plated, oldie with glasses so rosy tinted that you become blind. Come back when you actually have something meaningful and relevant to say. Otherwise dont moan like a little girl when you get flamed. Pathetic just about begins to describe it.

 

[archie mac]

Thats a bit rich, coming from you on this topic, isnt it?

Your inane and repetitive comments on this topic are monotonous and, to be kind, utter drivel. If you had some real points besides "I say so" you might get just a little traction with your posts in this context - but all you do is end up looking like a blithering idiot.

Just another case of a golden, or in your case, tin plated, oldie with glasses so rosy tinted that you become blind to evidence. Come back when you actually have something meaningful and relevant to say. Otherwise dont moan like a little girl when you get flamed. Pathetic just about begins to describe it.

Much better argument, although very personel which seems to be you style

Mate (not meant nicely) I will stack my cricket knowledge against yours any day of the week, the difference being I show respect to other posters on this forum, and always attack the post and never the person.

Not sure how old you are but if it is over 12 then you have a lot of growing up to do

 

[Sanz]

My posts? One post, the rest are just replies to others, or am I not allowed to reply to posts directed at me?

Don't reply and you won't hear from me

Archie Mac - Welcome to my Ignore list. Have fun, in other words your wish granted.

I have neither the patience nor the time to get into this nonsesnse. Please continue to post your diatribe.

 

[archie mac]

Archie Mac - Welcome to my Ignore list. Have fun, in other words your wish granted.

I have neither the patience nor the time to get into this nonsesnse. Please continue to post your diatribe.

I don't waste my wishes

 

[shortpitched713]

Too childish to even comment on that post tbh

Haha, took the bait.

By the way, I don't hate Warne, far from it as I rank him as the second best Test bowler of all time. However, I find the unprecedented extent to which many of his fans try to discredit Murali and his legacy based on little more than conjecture about his action utterly repulsive. And the fact that its all in support of a man with as many digressions as Warne makes it all the more repulsive to me.