Congratulations Murali

[archie mac]

Warne eats drugs and is not fit to wipe the cleats of Murali.

Whats a cleat?

Why mention Warne, I can't remember being the great champion of Shane Warne

 

[archie mac]

Just for record, I have reported Archie's post. Hopefully that stops him from polluting this thread.

What I think the Mods will do

 

[Richard]

You must understand you can not say anything bad about the Murali action in this thread because it is a tribute thread, you can't say anything about Murali in the other thread because in the first post the thread starter asked people do not mention it

I am wondering in the next Murali thread started what the reason will be?

'Don't mention his action in this thread because it is Murali's birthday this month' Or the 100th post in this thread requested no more mention of his action'

Too Precious these Murali supporters me thinks

You've gotta realise, mate, that most people are sick to death 300 times over of the Murali-is-a-chucker brigade.

The fact that it almost invariably intrudes on other things regarding him - and there is much interesting to be discussed about him - is deeply frustrating of times.

 

[archie mac]

You've gotta realise, mate, that most people are sick to death 300 times over of the Murali-is-a-chucker brigade.

The fact that it almost invariably intrudes on other things regarding him - and there is much interesting to be discussed about him - is deeply frustrating of times.

I understand that, I just can't see why they attack anyone who mentions it, ignore the post, put the person on your ignore list, but get off the high horse and stop personally attacking anyone who does not agree that Murali is sacrosanct

 

[archie mac]

Hi Archie,

Just for the record, the only reason I asked for there not to be a discussion on Murali's action on the last thread was because I was trying to get a discussion going re his record vs Australia and where that leves him vis-a-vis other players whose records are not considered as good because they didnt set the world alight in certain parts of the world.

I wasn't trying to stymie a debate on his action, rather I was hoping to limit the discussion, if possible, to where he should be regarded because of his record out here.

Nothing against you mate, just fitted in nicely with my rant

 

[shortpitched713]

You seriously think it is no more than 0.01% who believe Bangladesh are not Test-class?

I seriously think there are more than .01% who believe that Bangladesh are Test class, and I seriously think that 99.94% would agree with me on that statement.

 

[shortpitched713]

Whats a cleat?

Cleats, shoes, whatever hes wearing Warne needs to get a cleanin'.

 

[shortpitched713]

Why mention Warne, I can't remember being the great champion of Shane Warne

Why mention Murali's action in a thread congratulating him on his achievements?

Warne is relevant as one of the multitude of players who wouldn't be a mole on Murali's face.

 

[silentstriker]

Whats a cleat?

Why mention Warne, I can't remember being the great champion of Shane Warne

Because some idiots are derailing this thread with the same inane thoughts on his action that we've heard before. If you want to discuss it, that's your right, but take it to another thread.

 

[honestbharani]

I understand that, I just can't see why they attack anyone who mentions it, ignore the post, put the person on your ignore list, but get off the high horse and stop personally attacking anyone who does not agree that Murali is sacrosanct

Murali is not sacrosanct and neither are you and your posts.


The fact is, as others have pointed out, there are threads to discuss his action and stuff, but the matter itself has been done to death and in a tribute thread or in a thread SPECIFICALLY made to discuss abt his record in Australia (doesn't have anything to do with his action), there is no reason to keep flogging the dead horse again and again. As I have said, you are not going to change either your opinion or others' with your posts on the said issue, so why bother bringing it up in every thread abt Murali, esp. when it is a tribute thread or a thread where the starter has requested that the issue NOT be brought up.

 

[Sanz]

What I think the Mods will do

I dont know what they will do. I just thought your posts were seriously taking this thread in another direction (which it certainly has, thanks to your egotistical and almost bullish attitude) hence reported it. After what you did, It was not very difficult to guess that this thread was going to become Warne the Drug cheat Vs. Murali the chuck cheat.

 

[roseboy64]

Why? You're a smart fellow, and you have an independent mind - are you actually telling me you believe Bangladesh to be Test-class just because I$C$C tell you they are?

Yes because they obviously meet the standards. They're slowly improving and while they probably won't challenge the top teams for years to come, they're mildly competitive. Since they shouldn't be accorded Test status then so shouldn't the WI. So then leaves 7 Test standard teams.

 

[roseboy64]

You seriously think it is no more than 0.01% who believe Bangladesh are not Test-class?

Probably an exaggeration there but comfortably over 90% in any case.

 

[Richard]

Yes because they obviously meet the standards. They're slowly improving and while they probably won't challenge the top teams for years to come, they're mildly competitive. Since they shouldn't be accorded Test status then so shouldn't the WI. So then leaves 7 Test standard teams.

West Indies are nowhere near as bad as Bangladesh. Nowhere near.

And while Bangladesh have made the odd small improvement here and there, they're still way short of Test-standard, and it amazes me that anyone would deny that - from their first Test to their most recent as of this post, they've been roundly thrashed in all bar a tiny handful. Until they actually start being competetive most games, they shouldn't have Test-status - that's my opinion and the opinion of, from what I can see, more people than not - certainly far more than 10% of the cricket-literate World.

 

[roseboy64]

West Indies haven't won a Test series in years against anyone other than Bangladesh for years though.

 

[Richard]

No, they haven't, but they haven't been roundly flattened in 70 or 80% of Tests, though, have they? Being Test-class is about being competetive, not neccessarily winning. Sri Lanka went a fair time before their first Test victory, but I don't think anyone ever seriously claimed they didn't deserve to be there. Likewise India and the earlier West Indies.

Equally, all 3 of said teams had outstanding players, several in fact. Who are Bangladesh's best? Habibul Bashar and Mohammad Rafique. One hopelessly inconsistent and impetuous batsman and a no-more-than-decent fingerspinner. Then there's Mashrafe bin Mortaza and, every now and then, Shahriar Nafees Ahmed. No-one else is even worth much of a second look.

 

[Jono]

Murali's gun.

 

[roseboy64]

No, they haven't, but they haven't been roundly flattened in 70 or 80% of Tests, though, have they? Being Test-class is about being competetive, not neccessarily winning. Sri Lanka went a fair time before their first Test victory, but I don't think anyone ever seriously claimed they didn't deserve to be there. Likewise India and the earlier West Indies.

Equally, all 3 of said teams had outstanding players, several in fact. Who are Bangladesh's best? Habibul Bashar and Mohammad Rafique. One hopelessly inconsistent and impetuous batsman and a no-more-than-decent fingerspinner. Then there's Mashrafe bin Mortaza and, every now and then, Shahriar Nafees Ahmed. No-one else is even worth much of a second look.

Ashraful?

 

[Sanz]

Ashraful?

Point remains that Ashraful and other top order batsmen from BD are way better than Mcgrath and many other tail order batsmen from other countries. So if we are talking about 'TEST CLASS' wickets then we need to define what is 'TEST CLASS' First.

Is a batsman test class by virture of playing for a so called test class team ? If not then Shane Warne's record doesn't include all test class batsman either.

 

[Richard]

Ashraful?

Possibly the worst batsman I've ever seen who a large number of people are actually under the impression can actually bat.