Congratulations Murali

[roseboy64]

The I$C$C-professed stats say that, yes. The stats against Test-class teams (those recognised by far, far, far more than 99.9% of the cricket World) say something else. This does not matter, however - as I've said, Murali is highly unlikely not to surpass Warne in these stakes. Nor is it really something that needs to be debated, as Murali is well entitled to celebrate whichever milestone he wishes.

Silliest thing of yours iMO. Who are you to determine what makes a team Test class? The ICC run international cricket and they determine who is Test class as Zimbabwe was not deemed to be and got Test status suspended. You are in no way qualified to take away wickets from any player and also to determine if a team is of standard or not. If you were, you'd probably be in Dubai.

 

[Richard]

I don't determine who's Test-class, most people can - and do - tell easily for themselves. We're not dummies who have to accept everything I$C$C tell us, we're intelligent human-beings who can assess the evidence for ourselves and make-up our own minds.

For some odd reason, though, some people want to have things both ways - they want to include only Test-standard teams in some stats, and include Test-standard and substandard teams in others. Which baffles me a little.

As I said - most wickets is not something that matters a great deal to me, and I certainly won't assess Warne or Murali on who got the most. Anyone will get wickets if they bowl enough deliveries. Ergo, I'm always surprised anyone makes that big a deal out of the non-inclusion of Test-standard sides in wicket-tallies.

 

[roseboy64]

I wonder why anyone would make a big deal out of that?

 

[Sanz]

Test Class wicket is a useless debate and something that has no basis. It is either just another one of those convenient ways to make a debate out of nothing or an attempt to discredit the player.

According to this logic Glen Mcgrath is Test Class wicket, Md. Ashraful is not.

 

[roseboy64]

Hadn't thought of that significance. Good point.

 

[Richard]

Test Class wicket is a useless debate and something that has no basis. It is either just another one of those convenient ways to make a debate out of nothing or an attempt to discredit the player.

According to this logic Glen Mcgrath is Test Class wicket, Md. Ashraful is not.

Large proportions of tailender dismissals is obviously something else that needs to be considered when assessing a bowler.

No-one's discrediting anyone for taking wickets against substandard sides; they're merely not crediting them, while others (wrongly) are.

 

[roseboy64]

Not wrongly. That's the standard accepted by the administrators and players so I'll side with them.

 

[Dasa]

The I$C$C-professed stats say that, yes. The stats against Test-class teams (those recognised by far, far, far more than 99.9% of the cricket World) say something else. This does not matter, however - as I've said, Murali is highly unlikely not to surpass Warne in these stakes. Nor is it really something that needs to be debated, as Murali is well entitled to celebrate whichever milestone he wishes.

That's obviously untrue so why do you keep saying that?

 

[shortpitched713]

That's obviously untrue so why do you keep saying that?

Lives on Mars?

 

[archie mac]

Yes, but just because Murali is a nice man and this saga has gone on for years, does not mean that people should tire of arguing that his action is suspect, if that is what they think. I think there's a tendency, just because this thing has dragged on for years, to say: "Oh look, I'm sick of the debate, let's just get on with it". But I will never tire of arguing that the rules were changed to accomodate Murali and that, in match conditions, his action is very suspect. And I don't care where he comes from, or how nice of a person he is. I love the game (moreso than I love any team) and think that it should be played to its rules, and that those rules should not be altered to accomodate particular people. Put simply, people shouldn't just roll over and say: "Oh this has gone on forever, let's just shut up and move on".

You must understand you can not say anything bad about the Murali action in this thread because it is a tribute thread, you can't say anything about Murali in the other thread because in the first post the thread starter asked people do not mention it

I am wondering in the next Murali thread started what the reason will be?

'Don't mention his action in this thread because it is Murali's birthday this month' Or the 100th post in this thread requested no more mention of his action'

Too Precious these Murali supporters me thinks

 

[JBH001]

Err no, there are plenty of threads dedicated for or twisted to that purpose.

I believe Pasag earlier provided a link to the main one - feel free to go and vent your dribble there.

Moron.

 

[Dasa]

You must understand you can not say anything bad about the Murali action in this thread because it is a tribute thread, you can't say anything about Murali in the other thread because in the first post the thread starter asked people do not mention it

I am wondering in the next Murali thread started what the reason will be?

'Don't mention his action in this thread because it is Murali's birthday this month' Or the 100th post in this thread requested no more mention of his action'

Too Precious these Murali supporters me thinks

Ffs. Such a load of crap.

 

[Burgey]

You must understand you can not say anything bad about the Murali action in this thread because it is a tribute thread, you can't say anything about Murali in the other thread because in the first post the thread starter asked people do not mention it

I am wondering in the next Murali thread started what the reason will be?

'Don't mention his action in this thread because it is Murali's birthday this month' Or the 100th post in this thread requested no more mention of his action'

Too Precious these Murali supporters me thinks

Hi Archie,

Just for the record, the only reason I asked for there not to be a discussion on Murali's action on the last thread was because I was trying to get a discussion going re his record vs Australia and where that leves him vis-a-vis other players whose records are not considered as good because they didnt set the world alight in certain parts of the world.

I wasn't trying to stymie a debate on his action, rather I was hoping to limit the discussion, if possible, to where he should be regarded because of his record out here.

 

[Sanz]

Just for record, I have reported Archie's post. Hopefully that stops him from polluting this thread.

 

[Burgey]

Just for record, I have reported Archie's post. Hopefully that stops him from polluting this thread.

Why? Hell's bells, if that gets moderated, you'd have to report about one-third of the posts on the forum!!

 

[shortpitched713]

You must understand you can not say anything bad about the Murali action in this thread because it is a tribute thread, you can't say anything about Murali in the other thread because in the first post the thread starter asked people do not mention it

I am wondering in the next Murali thread started what the reason will be?

'Don't mention his action in this thread because it is Murali's birthday this month' Or the 100th post in this thread requested no more mention of his action'

Too Precious these Murali supporters me thinks

Warne eats drugs and is not fit to wipe the cleats of Murali.














Oh sorry... wrong thread.

 

[pup11]

Why? Hell's bells, if that gets moderated, you'd have to report about one-third of the posts on the forum!!

AWTA! Though the post was very much unlike Archie.

 

[Richard]

That's obviously untrue so why do you keep saying that?

You seriously think it is no more than 0.01% who believe Bangladesh are not Test-class?

 

[Richard]

Not wrongly. That's the standard accepted by the administrators and players so I'll side with them.

Why? You're a smart fellow, and you have an independent mind - are you actually telling me you believe Bangladesh to be Test-class just because I$C$C tell you they are?

 

[archie mac]

Err no, there are plenty of threads dedicated for or twisted to that purpose.

I believe Pasag earlier provided a link to the main one - feel free to go and vent your dribble there.

Moron.

Well argued