Murali's Record

[bond21]

Lillee is the best bowler ever, the only 2 bowlers who could come close to him would be McGrath and Marshall.

Anyone who says hes not an all time great is an idiot or knows nothing about cricket.

Fact is Murali will always be in Warne's shadow because of his action

 

[Fiery]

Lillee is the best bowler ever, the only 2 bowlers who could come close to him would be McGrath and Marshall.

Anyone who says hes not an all time great is an idiot or knows nothing about cricket.

Fact is Murali will always be in Warne's shadow because of his action

When are you going to get banned?

 

[Ikki]

Fact is Murali will always be in Warne's shadow because of his action

That's an insult to both Warne and Murali, y'know.

 

[bond21]

when Australia is no longer a country of free speech.

 

[bond21]

na, just murali

 

[Fiery]

when Australia is no longer a country of free speech.

Every post I've read of yours sounds like you have a chip on both shoulders. Why you so angry with the world mate?

 

[archie mac]

That's true, no doubt, but from personal experience I've never tried to say Dennis Lillee wasn't an all-time great bowler. Myself, and others, have argued that other bowlers are better because they have performed similarly (or better) in all conditions, including in the subcontinent. Too often people miss the point completely, and think we are trying to say Lillee was a poor bowler.

Not that I have any intention of arguing this again, but you seem to be now suggesting that the fact he did not bowl that well in Pakistan now proves others as better bowlers


Which I will say again is a silly argument

Nothing more from me in this thread on Lillee

Let the cheap shots begin

 

[Perm]

Not that I have any intention of arguing this again, but you seem to be now suggesting that the fact he did not bowl that well in Pakistan now proves others as better bowlers

No, I am suggesting that Malcolm Marshall is a better bowler than Dennis Lillee because he performed better in other countries, and in Pakistan too.

That is all

 

[Richard]

Lillee is the best bowler ever, the only 2 bowlers who could come close to him would be McGrath and Marshall.

Anyone who says hes not an all time great is an idiot or knows nothing about cricket.

Fact is Murali will always be in Warne's shadow because of his action

Oh, lor, how we won't miss you.

When you get banned

 

[Fiery]

Oh, lor, how we won't miss you.

You're awake Richard

 

[Richard]

The Lillee argument when argued by the better ones isn't that he's not an all-time great, rather that there are some better than him as they've suceeded where he hasn't. Anyways, Murali's an all-time great, but not the undisputed greatest ever bowler either.

Yeah agreed.

Lillee is quite obviously an all-time great, and most knowledgeable posters would agree with that. Same with Murali too.

Its unfortunate holes in their record which they have to deal with. There's various reasons why they exist, but they exist none the less. I remember some Australian posters throwing out reasons for Warne's poor record in India, such as lack of cricket, shoulder injury etc. Same goes for Lillee and Murali, with the small sample space, the pitches, the bowling support etc.

All three are clearly all-time greats though.

BTW, this pretty well sums-up my feelings on the matter. Have never claimed Murali was the greatest bowler ever, nor would I, for a multitude of reasons, this amongst them.

BTW, though, Cameron - Murali is every bit a wristspinner as Warne.

 

[Fiery]

You're awake Richard

 

[Richard]

What, you wanted a response saying "yeah, I am, amazing this being-up-at-before-10AM-lark-innit"?

I've tried to cut down on the unnecessary posts of late.

 

[Ikki]

na, just murali

Yeah, it is to Warne. You're pretty much saying the only difference between them is their action.

 

[BhupinderSingh]

Now,I don't understand people coming up again & again with "not considering Lillee an alltime great" rubbish.Regarding his record in subcontinent,all some people including me say is that he's an alltime great but that there are some better bowlers than him because they've succeeded on subcontinent or for some other reasons such as stats,consistency etc.Lillee is an alltime great ,there's no doubt about it.

 

[Fiery]

I've tried to cut down on the unnecessary posts of late.

Coulda fooled me

 

[Perm]

Coulda fooled me

Wouldn't take much.

 

[Fiery]

Wouldn't take much.

*knuck knuck, tee hee, chortle, guffaw*

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Now,I don't understand people coming up again & again with "not considering Lillee an alltime great" rubbish.Regarding his record in subcontinent,all some people including me say is that he's an alltime great but that there are some better bowlers than him because they've succeeded on subcontinent or for some other reasons such as stats,consistency etc.Lillee is an alltime great ,there's no doubt about it.

That is true now, but not all that long ago yourself and a few others dismissed him as a green top bully unworthy of greatness. Most have now, to their credit, admitted they were wrong.

 

[Evermind]

This thread reminds me of when one of my friends was talking about Claudia Schiffer, and said "She's hardly attractive - her gums stick out a little when she smiles! URGH!"

As for Murali's action, I must admit that I always suspected there was something fishy about it, until I read Justin Langer's article about how he too used to think Murali's action was suspect - but changed his mind after looking at detailed replays and was thoroughly convinced now that it wasn't. If it's good enough for Langer, it's good enough for me.