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Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Mason's average and strike rate's are actually worse than Martin's...
Michael Mason isn't a wicket-taking bowler though, he relies on economy. Much more accruate bowler, even if he doesn't have the pace that Martin has.
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Best way to do that is by taking wickets. Pretty basic stuff we're talking here Perm
No, the best way to do that is by bowling accurately. If you do that then you can end up with wickets. If you bowl waywardly then you might pick up a few wickets, but you'll usually end up going for 50+ runs, which isn't good.
 

Flem274*

123/5
No, the best way to do that is by bowling accurately. If you do that then you can end up with wickets. If you bowl waywardly then you might pick up a few wickets, but you'll usually end up going for 50+ runs, which isn't good.
i.e. Glenn McGrath compared with James Franklin.
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I never wish any player performs poorly while representing my country but you wouldn't understand that. Just need to look at your avatar ;)
I don't mind if he plays poorly. I'm hoping that he does, so that the selectors realise he isn't fit to represent us in ODI cricket. Much like how I was hoping Ian O'Brien would get carted in the Test matches. All for the greater good Fiery.
 

Perm

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
i.e. Glenn McGrath compared with James Franklin.
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An economical bowler with a high average, like Daniel Vettori, is of more use in ODI cricket than an expensive bowler with a low average. In saying that, it's not often you get an expensive bowler with a low average, because it would mean their Strike Rate is incredible.
 

Flem274*

123/5
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An economical bowler with a high average, like Daniel Vettori, is of more use in ODI cricket than an expensive bowler with a low average. In saying that, it's not often you get an expensive bowler with a low average, because it would mean their Strike Rate is incredible.
I was meaning McGrath, who is accurate and gets plenty of wickets, compared with Franklin who gets a few wickets but the opposing team get 50 odd runs for those wickets.
 

Fiery

Banned
No, the best way to do that is by bowling accurately. If you do that then you can end up with wickets. If you bowl waywardly then you might pick up a few wickets, but you'll usually end up going for 50+ runs, which isn't good.
It is commonly known that in OD cricket that the best way to slow down the run-rate is to take wickets....and I think you know that but are feeling in a bit of a Richard mood
 

Fiery

Banned
I don't mind if he plays poorly. I'm hoping that he does, so that the selectors realise he isn't fit to represent us in ODI cricket. Much like how I was hoping Ian O'Brien would get carted in the Test matches. All for the greater good Fiery.
If you are going to wish that on players in international games when they are playing for your country then that's your prerogative, I guess. I would prefer you saved that for 1st-class games. I want whoever is selected to do well. At times (and particularly now that Bracewell is in charge) I wont agree with the selection but I don't want guys to perform poorly just to prove a point.
 

Matt52

U19 Vice-Captain
Jeetan Patel has a FC average of 39, Daniel Vettori has a FC average of 32. If you're going to use statistics, please try and use them correctly.

Anyway, there is a perfectly valid explanation. Jeetan Patel was a poor bowler earlier in his career, but around 2004-2005 he improved greatly. This was just prior to the time he was picked for ODI cricket, and his selection in these games has limited his FC appearances and stiffled his improvement in the longer form of the game.

I wasnt trying to bag Patel, I think hes a good bowler. I was trying to agree with the point that nz is not a great place for spinners, so a good bowler can average quite a lot here.

For Vettoris one I just looked at the wrong one. Youre right its 32, but cmon, Patels is 39.7 something which is basically 40, not 39.
 

Matt52

U19 Vice-Captain
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An economical bowler with a high average, like Daniel Vettori, is of more use in ODI cricket than an expensive bowler with a low average. In saying that, it's not often you get an expensive bowler with a low average, because it would mean their Strike Rate is incredible.
It is commonly known that in OD cricket that the best way to slow down the run-rate is to take wickets....
It just depends on the make up of the attack as a whole. The Aussies are blessed with guys with low averages and are economical, but our teams with mere mortals have to have a balance between both those types of bowlers. You have to have a few wicket takers that you can open up with and bring on at opportune times, and then you need a few economical bowlers if the batsmen start getting away. I think the best balance would be three wicket taking bowlers and two economical ones. ( unless we get some world class guys that can do both)

wicket taker- Bond
WT- Franklin
WT-?
economical- Mills
E- Vettori
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
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An economical bowler with a high average, like Daniel Vettori, is of more use in ODI cricket than an expensive bowler with a low average. In saying that, it's not often you get an expensive bowler with a low average, because it would mean their Strike Rate is incredible.
Tait springs too mind, though I suppose we aren't talking about the same calibre of bowler in this case.
 

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