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As an Australian Cricket Fan I'm disgusted...

Scmods

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
MCG, first ODI of the VB Series between Aus/Ind/Zim?

I remember that match. Was a good one, no idea how India lost that. Had it in the bag.
Great game. The game was Indias, then Ganguly played a straight drive that bounced off the pitch really high and they took off for a run, Ian Harvey jumped up, grabbed the ball, spun around in the air and ran Ganguly out. MCG absolutely erupted.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Great game. The game was Indias, then Ganguly played a straight drive that bounced off the pitch really high and they took off for a run, Ian Harvey jumped up, grabbed the ball, spun around in the air and ran Ganguly out. MCG absolutely erupted.
Ah yes, the day Sanjay Bangar's career ended, because he ran out the captain.

I remember what my dad told me after the game:

"Bangar buggered it up"

But you're right, I don't think I'd heard a roar like I did when Ganguly was run out. Was huge. Probably top 3 in ODIs I've attended.
 

Chemosit

First Class Debutant
I've heard plenty of racial abuse at a variety of Australian grounds and not all of it from the crowd. It doesn't seem that long ago that Lehman made the "alleged" 'black c****s' remark about the Sri Lankans and plenty of the current team were playing with him in that match.

Unfortunately racism exists everywhere and everyone needs to act to do something about it. Any nation claiming that none of their fans are racist is simple turning a blind eye and compounding the problem.
 

burr

State Vice-Captain
oh please, no racist abuse in aus. 8-) one of the most annoying things about living in this country is the way we create this whole australiana myth with happy little vegemites all living by the sea, saying g'day to their neighbours, giving everyone a 'fair go', championing our ‘home grown talent’ overseas and generally living our supposedly happy little lives. All the time we conveniently forget we vote in Howard for over 10 years, gobble up lies about children being thrown overboard, happily accept the fact the native inhabitants of this land live in third world conditions and pounce on anyone who suggests steve irwin wasn’t a 'top aussie bloke' 8-) yeah, this country is so tolerant and wonderful and the only people who would ever racially abuse anyone are ‘bogans’. Keep dreaming.
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
oh please, no racist abuse in aus. 8-) one of the most annoying things about living in this country is the way we create this whole australiana myth with happy little vegemites all living by the sea, saying g'day to their neighbours, giving everyone a 'fair go', championing our ‘home grown talent’ overseas and generally living our supposedly happy little lives. All the time we conveniently forget we vote in Howard for over 10 years, gobble up lies about children being thrown overboard, happily accept the fact the native inhabitants of this land live in third world conditions and pounce on anyone who suggests steve irwin wasn’t a 'top aussie bloke' 8-) yeah, this country is so tolerant and wonderful and the only people who would ever racially abuse anyone are ‘bogans’. Keep dreaming.
I have to argue that Steve Irwin is indeed a top bloke...but the rest is ok.
 

amokk1

U19 12th Man
MCG, first ODI of the VB Series between Aus/Ind/Zim?

I remember that match. Was a good one, no idea how India lost that. Had it in the bag.

I was @ that game, and it was racist as hell. Aussie supporters were hurling racist comments...and the Indians supporters also showed their fair share.....
 

pup11

International Coach
Good and bad exist in every part of the world and similarly racism to exists in every part of the world, so nobody can say that racism completly is non-existent in any particular country but the morons who make such racial comments are really a minnor part of the society so one shouldn't feel that just because a few people behave like dickheads so the whole country is like that.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I mean with people being sensitive with regard to racial abuse. Granted things could be worse, although I don't agree that the example you've given is for a second (worse), but I don't think people are being too sensitive in an issue such as this.
The thing is, to an extent, when people say racist stuff, it seems to me that they don't always mean it. The reason why racist things are considered untolerable is because it shows a hate of a particular race of human beings itself and it tends to be deep rooted. But of late, I get the feeling that some of those who do yell out racist taunts are not themselves racist, per se. For instance, you see racist taunts at Symonds and yet the same guys simply adore Brian Lara. It is not a race thing.

Not for a moment am I condoning anything here, but I am just trying to point out that sometimes, racist abuse is hurled out in the same way as abuses hurled out at one's girlfriend or mom or anyone dear, for that matter. I don't see any reason why one should be considered worse than the other. They are both in equally bad taste and should not be tolerated, IMHO.
 

bond21

Banned
i found it ironic how india were implying symonds is a monkey...

has noone seen sreesanth?

difference between symonds and sreesanth is symonds would beat the living piss out of you.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
i found it ironic how india were implying symonds is a monkey...

has noone seen sreesanth?

difference between symonds and sreesanth is symonds would beat the living piss out of you.
not even gonna start on why that observation is totally pointless.....
 

pasag

RTDAS
The thing is, to an extent, when people say racist stuff, it seems to me that they don't always mean it. The reason why racist things are considered untolerable is because it shows a hate of a particular race of human beings itself and it tends to be deep rooted. But of late, I get the feeling that some of those who do yell out racist taunts are not themselves racist, per se. For instance, you see racist taunts at Symonds and yet the same guys simply adore Brian Lara. It is not a race thing.

Not for a moment am I condoning anything here, but I am just trying to point out that sometimes, racist abuse is hurled out in the same way as abuses hurled out at one's girlfriend or mom or anyone dear, for that matter. I don't see any reason why one should be considered worse than the other. They are both in equally bad taste and should not be tolerated, IMHO.
I agree and I argued the same thing in the Kramer thing (with Anil I think) that people can say racist stuff without being inherently racist. That doesn't mean it's any more acceptable though (Before you start replying, I don't think you're saying it is). I don't think the bogans that threw eggs at us the other week or screamed out Heil Hitler hate Jews or are anti-semites, that doesn't make their actions any less painful. If anything I find it worse. Your run of the mill racist, whatever, they are what they are. But these are normal people and their ignorance is frightening.

Wrt to family members, it depends really. If you said something specifically relating to the person, mentioned a name, specific info than I agree it could be just as bad. But if you just screamed out some common insult about a guys mother/partner there's no way it's as bad as racial abuse. I don't like seeing any forms of abuse in cricket crowds but there are degrees and not everything is equal.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I agree and I argued the same thing in the Kramer thing (with Anil I think) that people can say racist stuff without being inherently racist. That doesn't mean it's any more acceptable though (Before you start replying, I don't think you're saying it is). I don't think the bogans that threw eggs at us the other week or screamed out Heil Hitler hate Jews or are anti-semites, that doesn't make their actions any less painful. If anything I find it worse. Your run of the mill racist, whatever, they are what they are. But these are normal people and their ignorance is frightening.

Wrt to family members, it depends really. If you said something specifically relating to the person, mentioned a name, specific info than I agree it could be just as bad. But if you just screamed out some common insult about a guys mother/partner there's no way it's as bad as racial abuse. I don't like seeing any forms of abuse in cricket crowds but there are degrees and not everything is equal.
no, it isn't and I don't think that way either.

But the thing is, as you said, it depends on the individul and we never know what affects whom and to what extent. It is to avoid this grey area that I think we don't need to tolerate any insult on your near and dear ones. Insult/Abuse the player within limits if u wanna have fun but everything else shouldn't be tolerated, IMHO.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
The thing is, to an extent, when people say racist stuff, it seems to me that they don't always mean it. The reason why racist things are considered untolerable is because it shows a hate of a particular race of human beings itself and it tends to be deep rooted. But of late, I get the feeling that some of those who do yell out racist taunts are not themselves racist, per se. For instance, you see racist taunts at Symonds and yet the same guys simply adore Brian Lara. It is not a race thing.
Just because they admire one(or few) black cricketer(s) doesn't mean they can not be racist. It is very simple, really. If you are going to bring out someone's color, race, culture etc then you are being racially abusive regardless of your personal admiration for certain individuals from that race.
 

Fusion

Global Moderator
i found it ironic how india were implying symonds is a monkey...

has noone seen sreesanth?

difference between symonds and sreesanth is symonds would beat the living piss out of you.
The bolded comment is amazingly childish and frankly offensive.
 

sideshowtim

Banned
oh please, no racist abuse in aus. 8-) one of the most annoying things about living in this country is the way we create this whole australiana myth with happy little vegemites all living by the sea, saying g'day to their neighbours, giving everyone a 'fair go', championing our ‘home grown talent’ overseas and generally living our supposedly happy little lives. All the time we conveniently forget we vote in Howard for over 10 years, gobble up lies about children being thrown overboard, happily accept the fact the native inhabitants of this land live in third world conditions and pounce on anyone who suggests steve irwin wasn’t a 'top aussie bloke' 8-) yeah, this country is so tolerant and wonderful and the only people who would ever racially abuse anyone are ‘bogans’. Keep dreaming.
It seems to me that high society in Australia is by far the most racist, and more specifically classist. The way some people in New South Wales segregate the West as some kind of place they'd never touch with a ten foot pole is ridiculous. All the immigrants get booted out west as well...It's quite ridiculous.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Just because they admire one(or few) black cricketer(s) doesn't mean they can not be racist. It is very simple, really. If you are going to bring out someone's color, race, culture etc then you are being racially abusive regardless of your personal admiration for certain individuals from that race.
yeah, I got that. Again, it is me just being pedantic.


When I said "racist", I meant of the sort who want to throw these guys out of trains and want them to get up when they don't have a seat etc... I know that, thankfully, such people are becoming rarer and rarer these days.


What I meant to say was that, even though these guys are yelling out racist stuff and therefore are racist, they are not of the sort who will want these guys to be denied opportunities etc. in society because of their race. They just use the race card to abuse the players, just like they would probably do in case some sad situation arises to the said player and his near and dear ones. Quite simply put, these guys are idiots who just wanna stir up trouble and will do anything it takes. So, while I accept wholeheartedly that racism and racist taunts have no place in cricket (in anything, to be fair) but the same should be extended for personal and abusive insults as well. As I said, I can't, for the life of me, see how the guy who mentioned abusive stuff about Gilchrist and his wife and Slater (stuff which Gilchrist himself admitted had him in tears) is any better than the idiots with the monkey chants in India.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
But if you just screamed out some common insult about a guys mother/partner there's no way it's as bad as racial abuse.
We will just have to agree to differ on that. IMO, being called a name without implied violence associated isnt close to as bad as insulting in vulgar terms a loved one.

As a married man, any insult towards my wife or kids is 1000 times worse and anger inducing than anything that can be said to me (whether it is racial or not)
 

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