***Official*** New Zealand in South Africa

[NZTailender]

Yeah true. Papps, Cumming, Sinclair etc are the kind that would failc heaply against the SA attack, while slightly more aggressive player like Oram, McCullum and Vincent I can see doing well, throw in some unorthodox and annoyingly good tailenders and we should be able to post 450 on a good pitch.

I will be surprised if we have 2 opening partnerships that go beyond 50 in this series.

 

[Raghav]

Papps with two failures. Not looking good.

Papps needs to score runs in the next tour match . Otherwise, it becomes hard for the selectors to keep confidence on this guy to bring him up for the 1st test.
Congrats for Cumming for scoring good top order runs.

 

[Raghav]

Papps has been pretty dire in tests full stop so far. I do back him to come right though.

I'd be interested to know why the yarpies would hate McCullum? Don't they like aggression or something?

They probably dont know about his positive attitude character! He is really genious.

 

[Prince EWS]

Yeah true. Papps, Cumming, Sinclair etc are the kind that would failc heaply against the SA attack, while slightly more aggressive player like Oram, McCullum and Vincent I can see doing well, throw in some unorthodox and annoyingly good tailenders and we should be able to post 450 on a good pitch.

I will be surprised if we have 2 opening partnerships that go beyond 50 in this series.

Sinclair averages 43.85 against South Africa, while McCullum averages 24.55. Personally I think McCullum will get owned by the South African seamers - they relish bowling at batsmen who play expansively away from their body on the off side and McCullum does that regularly. Sinclair has succeeded because, at his best, he has very good off stump judgement and doesn't go fishing. Papps's record is poor against South Africa indeed but it's poor in test cricket full stop so I don't think it's much of an indication. I'm quietly expecting him to score a few TBH.

 

[Raghav]

Sinclair averages 43.85 against South Africa, while McCullum averages 24.55. Personally I think McCullum will get owned by the South African seamers - they relish bowling at batsmen who play expansively away from their body on the off side and McCullum does that regularly. Sinclair has succeeded because, at his best, he has very good off stump judgement and doesn't go fishing. Papps's record is poor against South Africa indeed but it's poor in test cricket full stop so I don't think it's much of an indication. I'm quietly expecting him to score a few TBH.

Sinclair and McCullum play their cricket lot differentlly. One plays aggressively and the other plays cautiously. They also play at different positions. McCullum is such type of a player who looks totally confortable after he gets first 15 runs. Sinclair on the other way, needs time to get to know about the wicket. Both have their own shots and are great in their own ways. But, McCullum > Sinclair . one the reason of course is that he can play short balls very well than sinclair. Sinclair on the other hand needs time to play the short balls...he can be out in the early of his innings if the opposition plans a short ball trap for him....

 

[Prince EWS]

Sinclair and McCullum play their cricket lot differentlly. One plays aggressively and the other plays cautiously. They also play at different positions. McCullum is such type of a player who looks totally confortable after he gets first 15 runs. Sinclair on the other way, needs time to get to know about the wicket. Both have their own shots and are great in their own ways. But, McCullum > Sinclair . one the reason of course is that he can play short balls very well than sinclair. Sinclair on the other hand needs time to play the short balls...he can be out in the early of his innings if the opposition plans a short ball trap for him....

Sinclair is easily a better batsman than McCullum. McCullum obviously has his place justified by his wicket keeping. He wouldn't get near the team as a specialist batsman.

 

[Flem274*]

Looking through Papps's profile his fielding position is wicketkeeper. Hmm he also averages 51 in ODI's. If McCullum has a catastrophic loss of form or something then Papps could keep. Is he much chop as a keeper? As for the blokes I expect to score heavily:

Fleming
Vincent
Oram
Papps
McCullum
Vettori

I have a hunch that Mason may prove to be a decent test bowler as well. Martin to get hammered.

 

[Prince EWS]

Looking through Papps's profile his fielding position is wicketkeeper. Hmm he also averages 51 in ODI's. If McCullum has a catastrophic loss of form or something then Papps could keep. Is he much chop as a keeper? As for the blokes I expect to score heavily:

Fleming
Vincent
Oram
Papps
McCullum
Vettori

I have a hunch that Mason may prove to be a decent test bowler as well. Martin to get hammered.

Papps used to keep fairly regularly but from what I've read, he wasn't much good, and he eventually gave it away to focus more on his batting. He's useful as a backup option in the squad ala Mathew Sinclair but with the selectors keen to get Hopkins into the side for whatever reason anyway, I doubt he'll be keeping for NZ any time soon, even if McCullum is injured.

 

[Flem274*]

Papps used to keep fairly regularly but from what I've read, he wasn't much good, and he eventually gave it away to focus more on his batting. He's useful as a backup option in the squad ala Mathew Sinclair but with the selectors keen to get Hopkins into the side for whatever reason anyway, I doubt he'll be keeping for NZ any time soon, even if McCullum is injured.

Hmm a shame. if he was decent and McCullum had something go wrong I would have given it a try. We seem to have alot of back up keepers. Vincent, Sinclair, Hopkins, Papps, McGlashan....

 

[Richard]

As for the blokes I expect to score heavily:

Fleming

Hope so.

Vincent

Hope not.

Oram

Hope so.

Papps

Dunno TBH.

McCullum

Hope not.

Vettori

Purely as someone who wants SA to win, I hope not.

 

[Richard]

I was being hyperbole. I rate van Wyk and Jacobs, even though lateral movement isn't his friend but the rest are fairly insignificant especially the Kwa-Zulu lads.

Zander de Bruyn is certainly not insignificant.

 

[Athlai]

Purely as someone who wants SA to win, I hope not.

Not speaking to you for the rest of the series TBH.

 

[Flem274*]

Hope so.

Hope not.

Hope so.

Dunno TBH.

Hope not.

Purely as someone who wants SA to win, I hope not.

I agree with Athlai. I suggest you are issued with a permaban.

 

[Athlai]

I agree with Athlai. I suggest you are issued with a permaban.

From anything Kiwi related anyway.

 

[Flem274*]

Incidentally, whats with the Vincent and McCullum hope nots? Fear of them? Think they're average? Or just don't like them?

 

[Athlai]

Incidentally, whats with the Vincent and McCullum hope nots? Fear of them? Think they're average? Or just don't like them?

Vincent is understandable coming from Rich, but a general at McCullum.

 

[NZTailender]

With Richard, it'll be all three no doubt.

He thinks they're average, but he fears they'll score heavily and show him up, and there's the possibility that could happen with those two, so thats why he doesn't like them.




IMO.

 

[Richard]

I don't think McCullum is poor, certainly not, but
1) I don't want him scoring and improving NZ's chances of beating SA
2) I don't really think he's good enough to score against top-quality seam-bowling, or at least hasn't been to date, and if he does in this series I'll get all the "hahahahaha, you were wrong" which impulsive optimists so love to throw my way. I'm quite willing to revise this standpoint, as I am a standpoint on any player, but not after a single series.

And yes, Vincent is crap and I highly doubt I'll ever have to change my standpoint there. Nor do I really want to, either.

 

[Flem274*]

With Richard, it'll be all three no doubt.

He thinks they're average, but he fears they'll score heavily and show him up, and there's the possibility that could happen with those two, so thats why he doesn't like them.




IMO.

I can uderstand where he's coming from with Vincent because of the inconsistency and getting dropped and what not but McCullum IIRC has an average of 38-39 and has been one of our best wicketkeeper batsmen ever. Quality player...as long as he isn't opening or something stupid like that.

 

[Flem274*]

I don't think McCullum is poor, certainly not, but
1) I don't want him scoring and improving NZ's chances of beating SA
2) I don't really think he's good enough to score against top-quality seam-bowling, or at least hasn't been to date, and if he does in this series I'll get all the "hahahahaha, you were wrong" which impulsive optimists so love to throw my way. I'm quite willing to revise this standpoint, as I am a standpoint on any player, but not after a single series.

And yes, Vincent is crap and I highly doubt I'll ever have to change my standpoint there. Nor do I really want to, either.

Thats why you'll never change your opinion methinks.

I'm not sure what McCullum has and hasn't done against the good and the bad because I'm too lazy to look it all up but usually he and vettori and Franklin have to save our skins at least once a series. He's been pretty effective.