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andruid

Cricketer Of The Year
Still it would be nice to institute a system that would in itself guarantee the maintenance of certain standards against which the gaining retention and withdrawal of Test status can be decided rather than leaving it to the discretion of human beings capable of making errors of judgement
 

The Sean

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Oh, undoubtedly they should. Who knows, let's hope lessons will be learned from the Bangladesh case. Sadly, those lessons were old and had been observed; some for some reason decided to depart from the well-known.

All of West Indies, India, Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe acceded to Test-status in the right way (relative to their times of course - with West Indies the key game is generally thought to have been against RG Leveson-Gower's XI after years of touring England and elsewhere; for Zimbabwe it was years and years in the South African Currie Cup). Pakistan were a bit of a special case as they were a new nation and gained almost instant Test-status upon political inception.

Bangladesh, however, like New Zealand before them, were granted Test-status woefully prematurely. Fortunately New Zealand didn't play that much, so their effect on the integrity of Test-cricket wasn't quite so bad as Bangladesh's, while still deplorable for being present at all.
The thing is, for all that New Zealand were actually granted their Test status retrospectively. Neither the 1932/33 series against England nor the 1946 one-off match against Australia were played under the guise of a Test match. It wasn't until 1948 that these matches were granted Test status and statistical records were adjusted accordingly. Indeed, NZ got away with draws in both of the matches against England purely because they weren't Tests - they were played as 3-day matches and the tourists ran out of time to wrap up the game on both occasions despite dominating. It seems therefore strange that they were then considered Test matches some 15 years later.

It could have been even worse though - if NZ had gotten their way, they would have been playing Test cricket before World War I. Australia toured New Zealand in early 1905 and played the full NZ team in two matches, which the New Zealand cricket board actually strongly pushed to be acknowledged as Tests. Australia, however, refused and the matches remain merely First Class.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
Knew there was some element of retrospect, but didn't actually realise it included the 1932\33 series.

As I say - I'd be very happy for their Test status to have started in 1960\61 with that South Africa tour where they were truly competetive for the first time. Obviously some self-important Kiwis might feel differently, but I'd say that to be disgraced at Test-level is worse, far, than to not play there.
 

shortpitched713

International Captain
Well for me, it should be revoked and there should be lots of tours by A and FC sides and until they can consistently win those - they should remain on 'probationary' Test status. Meaning, they won't play games against other Full Test sides, but they can still have the voting power and other privileges (ideally, they shouldn't have been given this in the beginning).
Thats not very likely to happen. For one, the FC sides would have very little incentive to tour Bangladesh, seeing as its not a Test nation, and the domestic sides there would hardly be any competition.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
Thats not very likely to happen. For one, the FC sides would have very little incentive to tour Bangladesh, seeing as its not a Test nation, and the domestic sides there would hardly be any competition.
Of course there would be an incentive. FC players would certainly be willing to tour to gain international exposure and prove themselves to selectors. Bangladesh, while not a Test side, would still be known as someone who is approaching that status, doing well against them would definitely look good on FC player's resume.
 

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
What's the point in not manipulating stats?

Without stats (and stats are by definition manipulated) cricket is nothing, really.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
What's the point in not manipulating stats?

Without stats (and stats are by definition manipulated) cricket is nothing, really.
Well, that I would disagree with. Stats, for me, enhance the appreciation of the game. But I never think about them while the game in going on, as I am absorbed in the action. They provide enjoyment, but only in between games when I have nothing better to do than to measure and compare.
 

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
Of course there would be an incentive. FC players would certainly be willing to tour to gain international exposure and prove themselves to selectors. Bangladesh, while not a Test side, would still be known as someone who is approaching that status, doing well against them would definitely look good on FC player's resume.
agreed...and a lot of meaningless matches will be eliminated...but it won't happen, the icc are too spineless...
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Stats mean nothing to me as far as cricket is concerned. Only time I use stats is when I am on a Forum like this and trying to analyze the performance of a player for some sort of argument, thats it. It has no meaning in reality as far as a cricket game is concerned.


When I am watching a cricket game, I never think about the stats of a guy, never never.
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Statistics are very important in cricket though, and do play a huge part.
Not when I watch cricket. it plays a part only on forums like this. I trust my eyes and history books more than the stats.
 

Neil Pickup

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I don't know about you guys, but the first thing that I think about when I see a cover drive is the instant effect that it will have on the multivariate regression between batting average compared to height, game situation, number of times dropped and birth weight.

That's what it's all about, isn't it?
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
What's the point in not manipulating stats?

Without stats (and stats are by definition manipulated) cricket is nothing, really.
haha, this is like talking to one of the students in my English classes...what I'm saying and what you apparently think I'm saying are two different things.
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I don't know about you guys, but the first thing that I think about when I see a cover drive is the instant effect that it will have on the multivariate regression between batting average compared to height, game situation, number of times dropped and birth weight.

That's what it's all about, isn't it?
If you'd have divided all that by the number of pubic hairs each batsman has and then multiplied it by seagulls I'd agree with you.
 

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