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***Official*** New Zealand in South Africa

Raghav

Raghav

International Vice-Captain
Lou Vincent
Jamie How
Ross Taylor
Scott Styris
Gareth Hopkins
Jacob Oram
Brendon McCullum
James Franklin
Daniel Vettori
Kyle Mills
Shane Bond


This is the team I'd prefer. I love to see Hopkins in the side and see how he performs as so many articles are written about him as batsman.
 
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sunilreddy

sunilreddy

Banned
Vincent
Hopkins
Taylor
Styris
Oram
McCullum
Franklyn
Vettori
Mills
Bond
Mason/Jeetan patel(Depending on weather and pitch conditions)


Hate to see McMillan out of team. Can't believe Fleming is not playing for Newzealand. May be Newzealand cricket will have a tough time with out them.
 
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Flem274*

Flem274*

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In the paper it said Hopkins will be at 6 with McCullum opening. Mason is also ahead of Martin in the bowling stakes. The other batsmen are Vincet, Taylor, Styris and Oram. The article gave the impression the line up will be:

McCullum
Vincent
Taylor
Styris
Oram
Hopkins
Franklin
Vettori
Mills
Bond
Mason

We are screwed. What a pathetic line up. Hand the series to SA already.

The team we should have picked:

1. Vincent
2. Papps
3. Taylor
4. Fleming (I still think NZC made him retire. He'd come back if he could)
5. Styris
6. McCullum
7. Oram
8. Vettori
9. Mills
10. Bond
11. Patel
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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sunilreddy said:
Vincent
Hopkins
Taylor
Styris
Oram
McCullum
Franklyn
Vettori
Mills
Bond
Mason/Jeetan patel(Depending on weather and pitch conditions)


Hate to see McMillan out of team. Can't believe Fleming is not playing for Newzealand. May be Newzealand cricket will have a tough time with out them.
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Fleming "retired" from ODI's. One suspects NZC said "Go or we'll drop you anyway."

We do have good batting depth in NZ. We're just picking the wrong people. I'd rather see Nicol, Hay, Sinclair, Ryder etc get ahead of Hopkins. Hopkins should only play if McCullum goes down.
 
Athlai

Athlai

Not Terrible
Lets build backwards

11) Patel

A very handy young spinner, much more worth while than his seaming equivalents and the feats of my signature taken into account a very good number 11 batsman.

10) Bond

The no brainer place in the side.

9) Franklin/Vettori/Mills

If Mills is in the team, fit and ready this is his spot. If not then it's either Franklins or Vettori's.

8) Franklin/Vettori

The captains spot in the team is secured either way, bloody glasses wearing variation master.

7) Franklin

With Fulton out we need the batsman and he's proven his worth with the bat. Potentially this spot could be given to Hopkins though I'd rather Oram was here and the rest of the order was pushed up one to squeeze Franklin/Hopkins out.

6) Oram

A great finisher for NZ cricket.

5) Taylor/(Hopkins)

Protects him from the new ball, feel he could play well at this position in the team. (Due to injury Hopkins has to be here as without Fulton Taylor may just have to be made a number 3)

4) Styris

If something goes wrong here's the Virus to save us.

3) Taylor

So what would you rather Styris at 3 or giving Taylor a sink or swim position? With Fulton out those are the two options. Taylor can be given a shot I spose.

2) McCullum

Well we've dug our hole may as well stick to it. Arguably the finest lower order batsman in the world, so lets make him open!

1) Vincent

See above. (I rate him though ;) )





New Zealand cannot afford to play five bowlers ( or even four) as the bowlers we choose anyway would probably not be effect enough to merit their position in the team. Our batting is weak so we need the strongest tail in the world.

That tail would include McCullum/Oram, Franklin, Vettori, Bond, Patel the top 3 positions in that tail should secure us 50 runs even in case of a giant failure which is more than can be said for most teams in the world.

Without Fulton we are really going to feel the hurt of not having Fleming in the team. Should be a hard series against Saffa's.

The test series even more so with the lack of Franklins handy test bowling.

Patel is the key IMO. :unsure:
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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Athlai said:
Lets build backwards

11) Patel

A very handy young spinner, much more worth while than his seaming equivalents and the feats of my signature taken into account a very good number 11 batsman.

10) Bond

The no brainer place in the side.

9) Franklin/Vettori/Mills

If Mills is in the team, fit and ready this is his spot. If not then it's either Franklins or Vettori's.

8) Franklin/Vettori

The captains spot in the team is secured either way, bloody glasses wearing variation master.

7) Franklin

With Fulton out we need the batsman and he's proven his worth with the bat. Potentially this spot could be given to Hopkins though I'd rather Oram was here and the rest of the order was pushed up one to squeeze Franklin/Hopkins out.

6) Oram

A great finisher for NZ cricket.

5) Taylor/(Hopkins)

Protects him from the new ball, feel he could play well at this position in the team. (Due to injury Hopkins has to be here as without Fulton Taylor may just have to be made a number 3)

4) Styris

If something goes wrong here's the Virus to save us.

3) Taylor

So what would you rather Styris at 3 or giving Taylor a sink or swim position? With Fulton out those are the two options. Taylor can be given a shot I spose.

2) McCullum

Well we've dug our hole may as well stick to it. Arguably the finest lower order batsman in the world, so lets make him open!

1) Vincent

See above. (I rate him though ;) )





New Zealand cannot afford to play five bowlers ( or even four) as the bowlers we choose anyway would probably not be effect enough to merit their position in the team. Our batting is weak so we need the strongest tail in the world.

That tail would include McCullum/Oram, Franklin, Vettori, Bond, Patel the top 3 positions in that tail should secure us 50 runs even in case of a giant failure which is more than can be said for most teams in the world.

Without Fulton we are really going to feel the hurt of not having Fleming in the team. Should be a hard series against Saffa's.

The test series even more so with the lack of Franklins handy test bowling.

Patel is the key IMO. :unsure:
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Good post.

Time for some blokes to stand up and be counted TBH. Also its time to promote some domestic batsmen to the team. We have middle order batsmen aplenty so it's time to use them. If Ryder, Hay, Nicol, Redmond, Broom, Houpapa and a few others don't get chances then we are ****ed. We cannot rely on McCullum, Styris and Fulton forever.

And for the hundreth time, why haven't they selected Papps?
 
Athlai

Athlai

Not Terrible
Lord knows, I have no idea why the likes of Gillespie are getting selected tbh. He's alright but just like Martin he's not going to do well outside of NZ.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

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Athlai said:
Lord knows, I have no idea why the likes of Gillespie are getting selected tbh. He's alright but just like Martin he's not going to do well outside of NZ.
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Especially considering we have some good bowlers coming through in the domestic stuff.
 
Matt52

Matt52

U19 Vice-Captain
Athlai said:
Lets build backwards





5) Taylor/(Hopkins)

Protects him from the new ball, feel he could play well at this position in the team. (Due to injury Hopkins has to be here as without Fulton Taylor may just have to be made a number 3)



3) Taylor

So what would you rather Styris at 3 or giving Taylor a sink or swim position? With Fulton out those are the two options. Taylor can be given a shot I spose.



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Im guessing this is a one day side???.... But I think Taylor has always been a number 3 for central districts in one dayers, so thats his genuine position. He should be left there. I dont agree with moving players down just to protect them from the new ball. Its better that if you bat 3 in one dayers for your province then you should play there in odis. Bat in the poition they are used to and fell most comfortable....


I agree with a few previous posts, this looks like the weakest nz batting line up since Mark Richardson was a boy.:)

But in a way, its one of the most interesting. Personally, I like times when the team is changing a lot and lots of new players come in to the side, and we can see what their made of, and the next generation of senior players comes through.

OK, we may get hammered more than a few times but theres lots to talk about..
 
Athlai

Athlai

Not Terrible
Yeah the one day side, and the only reason I see as why we should move Taylor is because IMO he isn't a international number 3 just yet.
 
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Flem274*

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Matt52 said:
Im guessing this is a one day side???.... But I think Taylor has always been a number 3 for central districts in one dayers, so thats his genuine position. He should be left there. I dont agree with moving players down just to protect them from the new ball. Its better that if you bat 3 in one dayers for your province then you should play there in odis. Bat in the poition they are used to and fell most comfortable....


I agree with a few previous posts, this looks like the weakest nz batting line up since Mark Richardson was a boy.:)

But in a way, its one of the most interesting. Personally, I like times when the team is changing a lot and lots of new players come in to the side, and we can see what their made of, and the next generation of senior players comes through.

OK, we may get hammered more than a few times but theres lots to talk about..
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The thing is, instead of leaving senior players in their normal positions we have McCullum opening, Oram at 5 and so on. My preference for the side over the coming year would be:

Vincent
Papps
Fulton
Ryder/Taylor
Styris
McCullum
Oram/Franklin
Vettori
Mills
Bond
Patel

Ryder's lsit A record is crap but I suspect that is due to being forced to open and not applying himself rather than a lack of ability.

I'm concerned with Oram ATM and if he keeps going downhill would like to replace him with Franklin as our allrounder. His ODI bowling may be poor but at the tail end of the WC it started to improve and I believe there is hope for him in the format.

Taylor wouldn't make a starting XI because he is inconsistent, off form and crumbles under pressure. He is blatantly not capable of playing international cricket in the top order at this point in time. I do believe he will come back a better player though.

As I said earlier, it would be a scandal if Hay, Nicol, Houpapa, Ryder, Redmond, Broom etc don't get their shot at the top.

Expect to see Bennet, Harvie etc get a shot at bowling as well in the coming few years.
 
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