Bracken's test chances

[NUFAN]

Okay, so how am I supposed to prove my point then? Watson is a far better batsman, he actually scores runs in quality competitions. Good averages for Australia A and the Australians, not to mention his Pura Cup record. I'm afraid Cam White only scores runs on the road he bats on for Somerset.

OK you can show me stats, but I meant don't just show me career first class averages - because White was terrible at the start of his career and really lifted his game over the past 2 years.

White scores consistently for Victoria these days too, not just at Somerset.

Anyways, Watson is a better option because he can actually bowl, but if Watson could only bat and White had developed his spinners a bit, he'd be in the running for sure.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I'm afraid Cam White only scores runs on the road he bats on for Somerset

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Well he's had very limited success for Australia A, and his record for Victoria isn't too flash either. His only notable season was 2006/2007 where he averaged 39 and scored one unbeaten century on a flat wicket. Other than that he didn't do much at all.

 

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OK you can show me stats, but I meant don't just show me career first class averages - because White was terrible at the start of his career and really lifted his game over the past 2 years.

White scores consistently for Victoria these days too, not just at Somerset.

Anyways, Watson is a better option because he can actually bowl, but if Watson could only bat and White had developed his spinners a bit, he'd be in the running for sure.

I was under the impression that we were talking purely about batting, which is where my point about Watson being much better than White came from.

You say that White has been scoring consistently for Victoria over the last two seasons, well he's averaging about 35 which isn't at all very good for somebody who you feel is a better batsman than Shane Watson. One century and five fifties in 31 innings is poor quite frankly, for somebody who is now considered a specialist batsman who turns the arm over occasionally.

 

[NUFAN]

I was under the impression that we were talking purely about batting, which is where my point about Watson being much better than White came from.

You say that White has been scoring consistently for Victoria over the last two seasons, well he's averaging about 35 which isn't at all very good for somebody who you feel is a better batsman than Shane Watson. One century and five fifties in 31 innings is poor quite frankly, for somebody who is now considered a specialist batsman who turns the arm over occasionally.

I was actually disagreeing with the fact that Shane Watson is a much better batsmen then Cameron White.

He may be better but not much better.

 

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I was actually disagreeing with the fact that Shane Watson is a much better batsmen then Cameron White.

He may be better but not much better.

What evidence have you got to back that up?

 

[NUFAN]

What evidence have you got to back that up?

My eyes.

 

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My eyes.

Okay.

 

[Mister Wright]

I actually don't think Cameron White is that far from the Australian side. I've never been a fan of his because people rated him the next Warne, when clearly he was a crap bowler, but since his bowling has really slipped his batting has really stepped up. I think once Hodge is out of the way for ODIs White should be given a chance, or at least be in the squad. He's not that far away from a test spot either, if he continues to score runs, he has to be a chance, especially with a tour of Pakistan approaching and the temptation may be to play both MacGill and White with White playing as a batting allrounder.

 

[NUFAN]

I actually don't think Cameron White is that far from the Australian side. I've never been a fan of his because people rated him the next Warne, when clearly he was a crap bowler, but since his bowling has really slipped his batting has really stepped up. I think once Hodge is out of the way for ODIs White should be given a chance, or at least be in the squad. He's not that far away from a test spot either, if he continues to score runs, he has to be a chance, especially with a tour of Pakistan approaching and the temptation may be to play both MacGill and White with White playing as a batting allrounder.

Agreed 100 per cent. He's also a great slip fielder.

Just wondering now that Warney has retired;
Who's going to be first slip oh and 3rd/4th slip where JL often went?

 

[Mister Wright]

Agreed 100 per cent. He's also a great slip fielder.

Just wondering now that Warney has retired;
Who's going to be first slip oh and 3rd/4th slip where JL often went?

Hayden will be fulltime 1st slip. May see someone like Clarke or Hussey jump into the slips. If Jaques is selected he'll have a long stint at short leg.

 

[NUFAN]

Hayden will be fulltime 1st slip. May see someone like Clarke or Hussey jump into the slips. If Jaques is selected he'll have a long stint at short leg.

OK cool. Hope it's Hussey into 3rd as it'll be better having Clarke and Symonds in the covers. Your right about Jaques, does anyone know if his fielding has improved lately?

 

[Mister Wright]

OK cool. Hope it's Hussey into 3rd as it'll be better having Clarke and Symonds in the covers. Your right about Jaques, does anyone know if his fielding has improved lately?

Didn't think Jaques was that bad of a fielder in the first place, and it was more of a beat up than anything.

 

[Nate]

I actually don't think Cameron White is that far from the Australian side. I've never been a fan of his because people rated him the next Warne, when clearly he was a crap bowler, but since his bowling has really slipped his batting has really stepped up. I think once Hodge is out of the way for ODIs White should be given a chance, or at least be in the squad. He's not that far away from a test spot either, if he continues to score runs, he has to be a chance, especially with a tour of Pakistan approaching and the temptation may be to play both MacGill and White with White playing as a batting allrounder.

Didn't see that coming from you mate.

 

[Mister Wright]

Didn't see that coming from you mate.

Why?

Look at last season's Ashes thread I said something along the lines that if they weren't going to go with Symonds when Watson got injured they should go with White.

 

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I actually don't think Cameron White is that far from the Australian side. I've never been a fan of his because people rated him the next Warne, when clearly he was a crap bowler, but since his bowling has really slipped his batting has really stepped up. I think once Hodge is out of the way for ODIs White should be given a chance, or at least be in the squad. He's not that far away from a test spot either, if he continues to score runs, he has to be a chance, especially with a tour of Pakistan approaching and the temptation may be to play both MacGill and White with White playing as a batting allrounder.

I agree with your sentiments about White being close to the ODI team, if he continues to put in big performances he'll become the reserve batsman much like Haddin and Hodge have been lately. He should be selected in every Twenty20 game Australia play, with the exception of games that are tacked onto the end of a foreign tour. However there are quite a few batsman I'd rather have in the Test side before I gave White a chance, one of whom can also bowl spin.

 

[Nate]

Don't remember that at all. Didn't strike me to be a White supporter by any means.

 

[Perm]

Agreed 100 per cent. He's also a great slip fielder.

Just wondering now that Warney has retired;
Who's going to be first slip oh and 3rd/4th slip where JL often went?

Hayden will be at 1st slip, Ponting at 2nd and Hussey at 3rd. Clarke could also get a run in the cordon, but will likely spend a fair amount of time in the off-side ring with Symonds.

 

[Perm]

If Jaques is selected he'll have a long stint at short leg.

Is he any good? I'd heard reports about his fielding being pretty weak, so is it a case of putting him there because it's his best position or he's not very good in other places?

EDIT: Or because he's the newbie

 

[Mister Wright]

I agree with your sentiments about White being close to the ODI team, if he continues to put in big performances he'll become the reserve batsman much like Haddin and Hodge have been lately. He should be selected in every Twenty20 game Australia play, with the exception of games that are tacked onto the end of a foreign tour. However there are quite a few batsman I'd rather have in the Test side before I gave White a chance, one of whom can also bowl spin.

He has just as much of a case for the test team as D. Hussey, Hodge and Watson. Previous records really don't count, it depends who's making runs at the time when a spot becomes vacant. Those guys have been around first class cricket for so long, that if they're scoring runs at the right time they have as much a chance of being selected as the other.