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Andrew Symonds is at fault himself

sideshowtim

sideshowtim

Banned
pasag said:
Well from my point of view, as an Aussie fan, it's my job to make the experience as comfortable and welcoming for the travelling side as I can.
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Glad you're in the minority. I don't want overseas teams seeing Australia as a comfortable, lovely place to tour where they're applauded by Aussie fans as they walk down to the boundary.

Just as I don't expect other nations crowds to be welcoming to us. You have the home ground advantage, so damn well use it.
 
pasag

pasag

RTDAS
sideshowtim said:
Glad you're in the minority. I don't want overseas teams seeing Australia as a comfortable, lovely place to tour where they're applauded by Aussie fans as they walk down to the boundary.

Just as I don't expect other nations crowds to be welcoming to us. You have the home ground advantage, so damn well use it.
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Don't see it that way at all, (have alot more to say on the issue but am limited by ruined fingers from indoor meaning im typing one key at a time). For many the greatest Australian series is the West Indian tour in 1960 where there were parades in the streets for the touring party when they left and the whole thing was played in the best of spirits. I might be in the minority and I might hold old fashioned romantic notions on the spirit of cricket and the crowds but I can't help but cringe (no offence) at wanting to actively make things difficult and hostile for the touring party. Not to mention they are our guests and should be treated with maximum hospitality both on and off the field. Let the players play and the crowd should sit bak and appreciate that.
 
sideshowtim

sideshowtim

Banned
pasag said:
Don't see it that way at all, (have alot more to say on the issue but am limited by ruined fingers from indoor meaning im typing one key at a time). For many the greatest Australian series is the West Indian tour in 1960 where there were parades in the streets for the touring party when they left and the whole thing was played in the best of spirits. I might be in the minority and I might hold old fashioned romantic notions on the spirit of cricket and the crowds but I can't help but cringe (no offence) at wanting to actively make things difficult and hostile for the touring party. Not to mention they are our guests and should be treated with maximum hospitality both on and off the field. Let the players play and the crowd should sit bak and appreciate that.
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Absolutely they should be treated with hospitality off the field. But on the field...as I said, you have to use that home ground advantage as much as you can. I have no problem giving a gobful to an opposition player sitting on the boundary, and from what I've experienced, nor do many others. I like it that way. I want other teams to feel intimidated when playing cricket against us. The crowd can further press this by being hostile.

You do indeed have very old fashioned notions of how the game should be played though. It hasn't been a "lovely shot old chap" game for quite some time now.
 
Sanz

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
pasag said:
Don't see it that way at all, (have alot more to say on the issue but am limited by ruined fingers from indoor meaning im typing one key at a time). For many the greatest Australian series is the West Indian tour in 1960 where there were parades in the streets for the touring party when they left and the whole thing was played in the best of spirits. I might be in the minority and I might hold old fashioned romantic notions on the spirit of cricket and the crowds but I can't help but cringe (no offence) at wanting to actively make things difficult and hostile for the touring party. Not to mention they are our guests and should be treated with maximum hospitality both on and off the field. Let the players play and the crowd should sit bak and appreciate that.
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Great Post.
 
pasag

pasag

RTDAS
sideshowtim said:
Absolutely they should be treated with hospitality off the field. But on the field...as I said, you have to use that home ground advantage as much as you can. I have no problem giving a gobful to an opposition player sitting on the boundary, and from what I've experienced, nor do many others. I like it that way. I want other teams to feel intimidated when playing cricket against us. The crowd can further press this by being hostile.

You do indeed have very old fashioned notions of how the game should be played though. It hasn't been a "lovely shot old chap" game for quite some time now.
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This is the exact mentality which irks me to no end tbh.
 
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Pratters

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
The upcoming India v Australia in Australia can get very ugly now and I don't like this aspect one bit. I like a tough cricket game and don't mind sledging but an ugly tour is not great tbh. I don't think Aussie fans would like an ugly tour which we can have now as well. Don't think the Indians will just cop it and remain shut either. These bunch of guys know how to give it back which means that ugly cricket may well beckon now. Sigh.
 
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FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

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I dunno, I find that flowery approach to cricket a bit unrealistic, and I think it would deprive us of some of the finest cricket we see. The greatest series I've watched have been played in hostile atmospheres, the 2005 Ashes for instance, the 1995/96 tour of the West Indies by Australia, the preceding West Indian tour of Australia, and even the 2001 India v Australia series were all series that had a big, somwhat hostile buildup and some really tough cricket played on the field. I don't necessarily think the crowd has to be abusive or anything, but I like to see two teams that desperately want to win and are willing to go to virtually any lengths to do so, and naturally it follows that fans would be similarly invested. Doesn't mean it isn't annoying sometimes, or that the players don't sometimes act like complete ****wits in an attempt to be tough on the field, but that's where the best cricket is found IMO.

And obviously it's nice if the teams can be reasonably decent to one another off the field, and you don't want to see anything go too far.
 
BoyBrumby

BoyBrumby

Englishman
pasag said:
Well from my point of view, as an Aussie fan, it's my job to make the experience as comfortable and welcoming for the travelling side as I can.
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You might wanna have a word with the players too then. Got the distinct impression in the last Ashes they were actually trying to beat our chaps! How welcoming was that?!? :huh:

Seriously tho, this whole thing had largely slid under my radar as I've been in a Rugby bubble for the last few weeks. All a bit unnecessary, clearly.
 
silentstriker

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
This is all tedious. And I'll be annoyed if a good Test series is ruined by stupid crap. If there is going to be this much whining, I might as well get some entertainment out of it.....so therefore, I'll be rooting for one of the players to physically assault another player or a fan with a stump. Or just take a ball and chuck it at the head of the batsman when he isn't wearing a helmet.


At least we'll have something real to talk about.
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
sideshowtim said:
No. The crowds will loathe him. Nel doesn't carry on like an idiot when Australia are on 300 with 1 over to go and he dismisses a batsman for 89. Sreesanth's agression is completely fake, occurs at innapropriate and dumb times, and the Aussie crowd will deservedly give him an enormous mouthful. Very misguided if you think we're gonna love him TBH. I hate him, as do many other Aussies I've spoken to. Many other Indians deserve warm receptions, but not SS.

And LOL @ the guy who said racism has never existed in India. If you actually believe this, I advise you to take a step out into the real world. Racism exists in every single society.
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????????



you know better than me about India, don't you?



And for that matter, the whole world?????



Have u ever even been outside your country?
 
Sanz

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
FaaipDeOiad said:
I dunno, I find that flowery approach to cricket a bit unrealistic, and I think it would deprive us of some of the finest cricket we see. The greatest series I've watched have been played in hostile atmospheres, the 2005 Ashes for instance, the 1995/96 tour of the West Indies by Australia, the preceding West Indian tour of Australia, and even the 2001 India v Australia series were all series that had a big, somwhat hostile buildup and some really tough cricket played on the field. I don't necessarily think the crowd has to be abusive or anything, but I like to see two teams that desperately want to win and are willing to go to virtually any lengths to do so, and naturally it follows that fans would be similarly invested. Doesn't mean it isn't annoying sometimes, or that the players don't sometimes act like complete ****wits in an attempt to be tough on the field, but that's where the best cricket is found IMO.

And obviously it's nice if the teams can be reasonably decent to one another off the field, and you don't want to see anything go too far.
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Crowd in 2001 series was not hostile. Yes there was lot of build up in the media but that was limited to players from both sides that too mainly the skippers Sourav Ganguly and Steve Waugh with occasional emotional bursts like Slater Vs. Dravid.
 
honestbharani

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Sanz said:
Crowd in 2001 series was not hostile. Yes there was lot of build up in the media but that was limited to players from both sides that too mainly the skippers Sourav Ganguly and Steve Waugh with occasional emotional bursts like Slater Vs. Dravid.
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Indeed. Hayden got as good a response as he will ever get for an away double century. Heck, we were chanting for Ponting to do well in that particular match, given how miserable he had been the whole series. I remember so many of us there chanting Ponting's name when he walked out for his last inning of the series and he smashed a six of Harbhajan straightaway and then got out the next ball.... The moan was as if an Indian had got out.

To be honest, I don't mind some good natured ribbing at the opposition by the home crowda nd I suppose the boos are always part of a sportsman's career, but when it comes down to personal sledging, I would rather have those idiots thrown out from the crowd, be it in India or in Australia or wherever.
 
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