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Salixiscool

Salixiscool

Cricket Spectator
I would rate him highly as an allrounder, but not as much as a batsman. Sure he is very effective even if he is slow, but because he is slow it doesn't make him versitile. And in some situations, mainly in one day internationals he hasn't been able to score quickly. So you can argue that he is very effective, buts its also good to be able to adapt to any situations by playing quickly or slowly depending on the circumstances.
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
sideshowtim said:
I gladly will. Given the situation, both batsmen should've batted faster. Worst comes to worse, they get out, and there are plenty of other batsmen to back them up down the order. Striking at 44 in the second innings when you're trying to push home an advantage is just not good enough.

Look how quickly Ponting and Langer scored in the second innings of the First Ashes test. That's how it's gotta be done.
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Why? The First Ashes Test was just that - a first Test of a series. It was 0-0. This wasn't - it was the last - South Africa were 1-0 up. They'd have been mad to try and win at the expense of increasing the risk of losing. Absolutely insane. Had they been 1-0 down, or 0-0, or had it been the First Test, any of the aforementioned, I don't for a second doubt they'd have made more effort to score quickly.

Their attitude was absolutely right for the place their team found themselves at that point in the series.
 
aussie tragic

aussie tragic

International Captain
James90 said:
Kallis is a douche therefore he should be disqualified from any "greatest of all time" discussions. End of.
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Well that and the fact that truly great batsmen should at least have a Strike Rate > 50.....(Kallis is 43.1....Lara is 60, Ponting 59 and Gilchrist is a whopping 82)

.....While IMO truly great allrounders should average > 30 with the bat and take at least 3 wkts a match....(Kallis is < 2 wkts a match)
 
aussie tragic

aussie tragic

International Captain
Richard said:
That seems to be a serious, not ironic, comment, in which case I can only say:
:-O:blink:
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Okay, maybe a bit over the top but I truly hate watching batsmen who score as slow as Kallis and Dravid.......I would prefer to watch a David Gower or Kim Hughes type anyday ;)
 
BhupinderSingh

BhupinderSingh

Banned
Days of Grace said:
w.t.f. happened last night??

I don't remember creating this thread...

Anyway, I'll weigh in and say there is Sobers, daylight, then a group comprising of Imran, Kallis, and Botham, for the greatest allrounder of all time.

For batting, I'd say Kallis is fairly close to the top 20 test batsmen of all time.
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Gary"I could bowl every style crapily"Sobers is one of the greatest batsmen ever but he was hardly an allrounder:) .And top 5 allrounders ever IMO:

  1. Imran Khan
  2. Ian Botham
  3. Keith Miller
  4. Shaun Pollock
  5. Kapil Dev
Chris Cairns would be a close 6th.
 
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shortpitched713

shortpitched713

International Captain
aussie tragic said:
Have another couple of drinks and then review his allrounder status ;)

Sobers: 93 Tests, 8032 runs @ 57.78 --- 235 wkts @ 34.03, SR 91.9
Kallis: 109 Tests, 8851 runs @ 57.10 --- 216 wkts @ 31.64, SR 67.2
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I don't think hes in the same class as Sobers as a batsman, but those bowling stats are very impressive in comparison, and I don't think they can be ignored considering the general quality of pitches nowadays. I'd say Kallis's bowling is quite underrated, more so than his batting anyway.

Hes clearly among the top five of this decade in his batting though. An extremely consistent runmaker, but he suffers because he hasn't had any particularly stellar runs of form. Hasn't set himself above the rest of the pack the way Ponting has done in recent years either.
 
umop 3p!sdn

umop 3p!sdn

School Boy/Girl Captain
I rate him very highly, he is usually the backbone of the south african innings, and I think that because he plays this role consistency, his strike rate it ok.
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
aussie tragic said:
Okay, maybe a bit over the top but I truly hate watching batsmen who score as slow as Kallis and Dravid.......I would prefer to watch a David Gower or Kim Hughes type anyday ;)
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TBH, elegance, not pace of scoring is what I enjoy in a batsman. Gower wasn't the quickest scorer in The World, but surely most would prefer to watch him to, say, a Gilchrist.

Dravid, to me, is someone I cannot fathom how a true connoisseur of cricket could not enjoy watching TBH. :-O

Equally, if it comes down to Atapattu or Jayasuriya - former every time for me, regardless of the pretty large discrepancy in likely pace of scoring.
 
Richard

Richard

Cricket Web Staff Member
shortpitched713 said:
Hes clearly among the top five of this decade in his batting though. An extremely consistent runmaker, but he suffers because he hasn't had any particularly stellar runs of form. Hasn't set himself above the rest of the pack the way Ponting has done in recent years either.
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Umm... well... Kallis has pretty much never stopped scoring the last 6 years - as haven't the Dravids, Pontings and Haydens.

There's really very little to divide the three in their ability to bash rubbish bowling.
 
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