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Andrew Symonds is at fault himself

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
This thread is bloody dumb.

I hate Andre Nel, and he is the biggest hothead on the cricket pitch...he provokes our players and I really don't like him...But the way our crowds racially abused him was absolutely terrible, and I would never dream of making excuses for it. There are no excuses for racism. Ever.

Dumb thread, and the people agreeing with the original poster are idiots.
I've said it once...I'll say it again: That wasn't intended as racial abuse towards Andre Nel, there were guys selling hot dogs at the ground yelling out 'Hot Dogs'; there were guys selling pizza yelling 'pizza', and there were guys selling lime leaves at the ground yelling out 'Kaffir'...it was a total misunderstanding. :sleep:
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
Merely a case of saying keep your head down sonny and avoid controversies.
I just don't know why people are discounting the possibility that the controversies that Symonds had been part of contributed to what happened at Vadodara ?

As I said Before I don't JUSTIFY what happened. I just feel Symonds was setting himself up to get a big cop out much in the way that I feel Sreesanth will probably get it this summer in Australia.
In both cases, the players concerned could have made things easier for themselves

Whatever happened to the virtue of keeping your trap shut and getting on with the job ? Avoiding trouble where you could ??
So people, particularly people of a readily identifiable minority have no choice but to be seen and not heard if they want to avoid offensive abuse? Sorry mate, no matter how pretty a bow you try to tie around this ridiculous argument, its still rubbish, and to some people probably quite offensive rubbish. Where do you draw the line for not inflaming the mob in order to avoid being lynched? Does the way Ganguly comported himself as captain, or the way Ricky Ponting does now, justify them being racially vilified?

Any member of a minority could make life easier for themselves by just trying to blend in as much as they can, or even better - never leaving their houses and certainly never daring to do something that the majority of people dislike.

If you were saying that Symonds has made himself less popular in India by getting into a slanging match with the Indian team, no-one would have an issue with what you're saying. If he got boos from the crowd because of it, no-one would have an issue. But there is, to the vast majority of people, a clear line between boos and even general insults etc, and using someone's race as a basis to abuse them. It might be, as you say, unfortunately present in some proportion everywhere in the world, but it doesn't mean that its an attitude that reveals the absolute worst characteristics humans can produce, and that it should be treated as abominable. Part of that is that it can never, ever, to any extent, be justified by the behaviour of the victim.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
One potential difference is that you know where the players near the fence are going to be, and the separation of players from fans.
The separation isn't any more than cricket. And though you know where the players are going to be, it's not hard for security to shadow them in the stands.
 

bugssy

Cricketer Of The Year
end this thread. it happens everywhere. from local cricket to the big boys. we seem to forget that australian and indian sides do not like each other and thats a fact. move on and let the cricket do the talking.
 

Athlai

Not Terrible
end this thread. it happens everywhere. from local cricket to the big boys. we seem to forget that australian and indian sides do not like each other and thats a fact. move on and let the cricket do the talking.
Thought he was injured TBH.
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Woeful thread. Seriously Salamuddin, I hope you just posted this to stir people up.

May as well suggest that Murali brings racist abuse on himself by having such an unorthodox bowling action. Symonds hasn't done anything that is worse than what any number of other players in world cricket do on a regular basis, and it's hard to imagine this sort of apologism if Sreesanth had copped the abuse instead.

BTW, I agree in a sense that Symonds brings the wrath of the crowd on himself. Anyone who makes such a spectacle out of criticising the opposition and makes their "gamesmanship" so obvious is always going to be unpopular with opposition supporters. Not to mention he's a rather good ODI player and has had a good run in a series which Australia are winning.

None of that has any relevance to racial abuse though, which has always been treated in a totally different light.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Salamuddin... This is like saying a woman who was raped by street hooligans brought it upon herself by wearing sleazy clothes.
 

sideshowtim

Banned
Woeful thread. Seriously Salamuddin, I hope you just posted this to stir people up.

May as well suggest that Murali brings racist abuse on himself by having such an unorthodox bowling action. Symonds hasn't done anything that is worse than what any number of other players in world cricket do on a regular basis, and it's hard to imagine this sort of apologism if Sreesanth had copped the abuse instead.

BTW, I agree in a sense that Symonds brings the wrath of the crowd on himself. Anyone who makes such a spectacle out of criticising the opposition and makes their "gamesmanship" so obvious is always going to be unpopular with opposition supporters. Not to mention he's a rather good ODI player and has had a good run in a series which Australia are winning.

None of that has any relevance to racial abuse though, which has always been treated in a totally different light.
In regards to your second point, the Australians don't care about regular crowd abuse and will just cop it on the chin. They probably cop abuse more than other teams since they're so good and pretty much everyone hates them. Symonds wouldn't have cared if he was just booed and taunted by the Indian fans as it would've happened a million times before...Racial abuse is going too far though, and Symonds was right to be outraged.
 

JerseyGuy

School Boy/Girl Cricketer
I think everyone will agree that these players need to be little more mature. They should watch what they say to the media. The sledging should stay on the field...if you make comments to the media then crowd is going to take it on you.

Symond started making comments to the media about India's T20 win celebrations even before the series started. If crowd is giving him their response..he should face it and take it in the stride!!! :)
 

sideshowtim

Banned
I think everyone will agree that these players need to be little more mature. They should watch what they say to the media. The sledging should stay on the field...if you make comments to the media then crowd is going to take it on you.

Symond started making comments to the media about India's T20 win celebrations even before the series started. If crowd is giving him their response..he should face it and take it in the stride!!! :)
Of course he should cop abuse. But not racial abuse. There is a line.

And look how right his T20 comments were. India did go over the top, as proven by their poor showing in this series thus far. Australia have completely owned them.
 

Nishant

International 12th Man
That is the biggest load of crap I have ever read.

Australian supporters had to put up with the idea that we apparently have the only racist crowds in the world - and then you come out with this tripe that Symonds brought it on himself.

I don't care if he pissed on Sreesanth - its no justification for him to be racially abused.
agreed...but you cant run away frm the fact that the aussie crowds are racist in general. I agree what the indian crowd did was bad...but when the aussies racially abuse the indians come december...i wonder if u would still be making the same comment.
 

sideshowtim

Banned
agreed...but you cant run away frm the fact that the aussie crowds are racist in general. I agree what the indian crowd did was bad...but when the aussies racially abuse the indians come december...i wonder if u would still be making the same comment.
Aussie crowds are racist in general? So because about 5 idiots make dumb, drunken, racist remarks Aussie crowds are racist in general? Yeah, good one buddy.
 

Nishant

International 12th Man
This thread is bloody dumb.

I hate Andre Nel, and he is the biggest hothead on the cricket pitch...he provokes our players and I really don't like him...But the way our crowds racially abused him was absolutely terrible, and I would never dream of making excuses for it. There are no excuses for racism. Ever.

Dumb thread, and the people agreeing with the original poster are idiots.
NO...you're the idiot. Racism is never acceptable..,.but the point that was amde is that there is no point of provoking hatred frm the crowd. Its not abt taking sides...we cant run away frm the fact that symonds was a moron.
 

The Sean

Cricketer Of The Year
Reckon this thread has become just about irretrievably dire. I honestly can't see any good coming of it. Mods?
 

Nishant

International 12th Man
Aussie crowds are racist in general? So because about 5 idiots make dumb, drunken, racist remarks Aussie crowds are racist in general? Yeah, good one buddy.
there have been more than one instances where racism have been observed mate! And so what are u trying to say.....are indian crowds racist. The way you and a few others have hyped this thing up...you would think all ondians are racist.
 

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