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I hope not, Fleming should be at #3 and Vincent at #4. There is no way Taylor should be ahead of Vincent, but I have a feeling he will be.
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***Official*** New Zealand in South Africa
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Flem274*
123/5
Agreed. Isn't it great to have so much confidence in our beloved caoch?
The team I would pick:
Craig Cumming
Nothing special but he he is consistent. Earned his place in the two match series against Sri Lanka. Reliable batsman to have at the top of the order. He would face first ball to protect the better batsman.
Michael Papps
No brainer really. Huge runscorer domestically and should have been in the side for a few years now if we didn't have such a fool of a coach. His average is disappointing but he has had limited opporttunities. Impressive average of 51 in ODI's and I hope to see him play in them as well. It would be great to see him convert his domestic record into international runs.
Stephen Fleming
I am concerned that he will have to come in early to face the new ball which he is very weak against. However with our first choice first drop out we have no choice. In spectacular CC form and I genuinely believe he's going to have a good trip in SA.
Lou Vincent
Labelled a dirty slogger by some, Lou Vincent has inexplicably been made to open in tests despite being a number four batsman. In the limited games we have seen him play at four he has produced some sparkling innings which hopefully he can repeat during this series.
Scott Styris
Obvious selection. He is a genuine mister do-it-all. Styris will provide some much needed consistency and solidity to the middle order.
Ross Taylor
I like having a specialist batsman at 6. Oram, whatever bracewell may think, does not have the technique or skill required to play at number six. Whilst Taylor is unproven, he can bat ferociously and being buried down the order will hopefully hide his flaws against swing and seam movement. I can see him and McCullum being quite destructive in the middle order.
Brendan McCullum
Obvious selection. CBF writing about it.
Daniel Vettori
Same as above
Kyle Mills
The Auckland swing bowler has improved beyond all recognition in both forms over the past 2 years. He will take the new ball with Bond
Shane Bond
Best seamer we've had for a long time. Simple.
Michael Mason
Many will be surprised to se him ahead of Gillespie. I have a gut feeling he will turn out decent in tests and in the WC, apart from one game against Canada, bowled well. More accurate than Gillespie, he will be my third seamer.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Haha, Lou Vincent is sooooooo the Andrew Symonds to your Rob Cribb.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
It'd only mean you guys were burnt-out even more than everyone always is.
Seriously, you can't win. There's too much cricket - pretty much everyone says that - but when you're not playing you complain "we're not playing". There ain't no win.
NUFAN
Y no Afghanistan flag
It'd only mean you guys were burnt-out even more than everyone always is.
Seriously, you can't win. There's too much cricket - pretty much everyone says that - but when you're not playing you complain "we're not playing". There ain't no win.
New Zealanders can never complain of too much Cricket. They have one of the lighter schedules going around..
Flem274*
123/5
Exactly. Don't think I've ever complained we play too much.
armchairumpire
U19 Cricketer
What about Sinclair? I thought he was supposed to be a Test player rather than a OD player. So why Vincent ahead of him? Am I missing something?
Flem274*
123/5
Bracewell hates Sinclair more than Vincent
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Haha, indeed.
slugger
State Vice-Captain
when did bracewell become coach...
ive herd romours about a few nz players disliking sinclair.. something aboyut his sociallizing skills or lack of... like a wet blanket or something.. hey skippy come out on the booze with us.. nar i stay back and catch a video in my room... ...oh what kill joy guy.. bck stab.. back stab... etc lol sounds worse than a hens party...
ive herd romours about a few nz players disliking sinclair.. something aboyut his sociallizing skills or lack of... like a wet blanket or something.. hey skippy come out on the booze with us.. nar i stay back and catch a video in my room... ...oh what kill joy guy.. bck stab.. back stab... etc lol sounds worse than a hens party...
Flem274*
123/5
Well that shouldn't be too much of an issue. In the 90's they had some strong personalities to contend with. Cairns, Parore, Nash, Twose, Doull etc It all comes down to man management skills which frakly, Bracwell doesn't have much of. True, he isnt as bad as Turner was (Seeing as there hasn't been a player rebellion yet) but if you have a management team with good player relations e.g. Rixon and Graham in the late 90's then everything should run smoothly.
Retox
State Vice-Captain
It just seems if anyone says one of Sinclairs flaws people jump to defend him like he is some kinda god. Yeah he has been treated badly but I'd rather Vincent/Fulton/Taylor ahead of him. If the players don't like someone like Sinclair then it's bad for them.
Rather select someone who they like more (unless they suck the dogs bollocks)
Rather select someone who they like more (unless they suck the dogs bollocks)
armchairumpire
U19 Cricketer
It must be very difficult on long tours being with the same group of people all the time. Nothing wrong with having some time out from the others. Everyone is different - and thank goodness for that.
Never could understand why Bracewell liked H Marshall so much compared to Vincent and Sinclair.
thierry henry
International Coach
Fulton's chance to establish himself postponed while stop-gap Vincent returns. Devastatingly lame imo.
Athlai
Not Terrible
Agreed mostly bit harsh on Vincent who I feel has changed his role for the team lately, but I would have much rathered Fulton TBH. Few other players I'd trade to bring Vincent in though.
thierry henry
International Coach
Vincent has never had a "role" in tests though, he hasn't played one for ages
Athlai
Not Terrible
I meant in the team as in ODI's, I'd like to see if he brings it into tests. Aggressive middle order batsman and a very sharp run out expert, hope he gets a game but won't be disappointed if he doesn't.
armchairumpire
U19 Cricketer
Isn't it Fulton who is the lame one? Thought that's why he was having an op!
thierry henry
International Coach
ODIs he's an aggressive OPENING batsman, slogging away merrily (and missing a lot more than hitting) with the field up
Skills not readily transferrable to facing good test attacks imo
thierry henry
International Coach
Vincent and Fulton are both lame in different ways, it's devastating x2