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[Sanz]

You've just committed a sin Nishant.

Clearly the end of ODIs are exciting, and 'more' exciting than say the second session of a test match on day 2. But when you compare the whole thing, its just not even in the same ball park.

For example, the 3rd ODI between England and India will be forgotten in another week, if its not already forgotten. Hell I can't even remember too much about that match atm, other than Tremlett randomly getting Dravid and Ganguly out.

And that's only because there are too many ODIs now, if there were less odis people will remember it a lot more than actually do. In the eighties when ODIs were limited, I used to enjoy it a lot more than tests because most tests used to be boring draws and ODIs were the real enternainment, real contest between bat and ball.

Needless to say that Test cricket in last 10 years has changed and is a lot more entertaining than it used to be and ODIs have become monotonous in nature, rearely do you see a closely fought ODI series now a days.

 

[grecian]

Nah, he's been very ordinary this series.

Agreed, he should never be allowed near a one-day series, tbh.

Yet he's the only spinner in the squad, and I'd rather have him play just for the variation, you do need different speeds and styles in one-day cricket. He did slightly stem the runs at the Oval, when it looked like Tendulkar and Gangully were going to knock it off in 35 overs. He even bowled during the power-play. Lewis would of been fodder on a pitch with no swing.

Blackwell or Swann should be in the team, imho. As long as it isn't dollyrymple.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Swann really should have been selected imo, this persisting of Panesar because he's Panesar is getting pretty tiring.

 

[gettingbetter]

Blackwell or Swann should be in the team, imho. As long as it isn't dollyrymple.

Don't know too much about Swann, but Blackwell and Dalyrymple (don't care what you say about the latter) would/could be better choices. They both seem to be more economical than Paneasr. All three seem to be bowlers who bowl 10, rather than takw wickets - obviouslt thats why they are picked, but they don't really do a good job. These two can also bat.

I just have a sinking feeling in my stomach that Monty-mania is slowly cessating and the novelty is over. As much as I enjoy watching him, I thnk that he will be dropped from the ODI team - and rightfully so, but I have a feeling, that a drop from the Test team might also be on the cards.

 

[grecian]

Don't know too much about Swann, but Blackwell and Dalyrymple (don't care what you say about the latter) would/could be better choices. They both seem to be more economical than Paneasr. All three seem to be bowlers who bowl 10, rather than takw wickets - obviouslt thats why they are picked, but they don't really do a good job. These two can also bat.

I just have a sinking feeling in my stomach that Monty-mania is slowly cessating and the novelty is over. As much as I enjoy watching him, I thnk that he will be dropped from the ODI team - and rightfully so, but I have a feeling, that a drop from the Test team might also be on the cards.

Nah, he's still the best option in tests, by a country mile. Partly because of lack of options, it has to be said.

 

[steds]

Talk of Blackwell and Dalrymple?!!!

 

[grecian]

Talk of Blackwell and Dalrymple?!!!

Which might be why Panesar is still there, tbh.

 

[Nate]

Nah, he's been very ordinary this series.

Really? He's averaging about 1/49 off 9.3 overs per match. I know that's not fantastic, but when his co-bowlers have been inconsistent and are getting hit around a bit, Monty has remained solid. He's had moments in the field as well.

He hasn't been spectacular, but he's been consistent.

 

[Pup Clarke]

Panesar has taken 4 wickets in the series at an average of 46.25.

 

[gettingbetter]

Nah, he's still the best option in tests, by a country mile. Partly because of lack of options, it has to be said.

True, I accept that. Someone, can't remember who said that if we (that being England) don't have the resources to fill in the gaps, we can complain as much as we can - or something along that. I said, that theres no point in doing so.

I'm glad that you mentioned the lack of options, but I'm kidding myself into thinking that Monty will be dropped.

Although, I think if his aaverage doesn't dip below 30, what I said about Monty -mania could be true.

 

[grecian]

True, I accept that. Someone, can't remember who said that if we (that being England) don't have the resources to fill in the gaps, we can complain as much as we can - or something along that. I said, that theres no point in doing so.

I'm glad that you mentioned the lack of options, but I'm kidding myself into thinking that Monty will be dropped.

Although, I think if his aaverage doesn't dip below 30, what I said about Monty -mania could be true.

Yes, scaly keeps on pushing Adil Rashid, but it's hard to imagine how a player averaging close to 40 this year in the championship with the ball, will be anything but rank in Test matches ATM. Not just bad for england, but also for his career. An A team tour would be so much better for a boy not yet in his twenties.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Really? He's averaging about 1/49 off 9.3 overs per match. I know that's not fantastic, but when his co-bowlers have been inconsistent and are getting hit around a bit, Monty has remained solid. He's had moments in the field as well.

He hasn't been spectacular, but he's been consistent.

He's padded his figures out in one game a lot by bowling at India's tailenders, not sure about others. Generally speaking his first 5-6 overs have been milked at 5+ with ease and he's taken off before he can get really smashed, whereas guys like Tremlett have to come back during tough times like the power plays and death overs and so their figures are more expensive generally.

Panesar's bowling adds virtually nothing to the side other than variation.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Yes, scaly keeps on pushing Adil Rashid, but it's hard to imagine how a player averaging close to 40 this year in the championship with the ball, will be anything but rank in Test matches ATM. Not just bad for england, but also for his career. An A team tour would be so much better for a boy not yet in his twenties.

I'd have eased him in against WI, more of a batsman down the order who bowls occasionally - with 4 seamers doing nearly all the work as they would anyway if we want to beat any decent sides as we should be doing at home.

Tours are a different issue.

 

[Prince EWS]

I'd have eased him in against WI, more of a batsman down the order who bowls occasionally - with 4 seamers doing nearly all the work as they would anyway if we want to beat any decent sides as we should be doing at home.

Tours are a different issue.

Don't you think his bowling would progress better if he was bowling more overs though? Bowling 10 overs per match and focusing on his batting isn't going to help his bowling along much IMO - he'd be better off being used as a genuine bowler at a lower level.

 

[grecian]

I'd have eased him in against WI, more of a batsman down the order who bowls occasionally - with 4 seamers doing nearly all the work as they would anyway if we want to beat any decent sides as we should be doing at home.

Tours are a different issue.

Yes, but if he only bowled a handful of overs in these tests, as you seem to be suggesting, how would that have helped his career? EDIT: Prince beat me to it.

Also, if you've got 4 seamers and him, whom are you dropping from the batsmen?

 

[Pup Clarke]

I'd have eased him in against WI, more of a batsman down the order who bowls occasionally - with 4 seamers doing nearly all the work as they would anyway if we want to beat any decent sides as we should be doing at home.

Tours are a different issue.

WI?

 

[Scaly piscine]

Yes, but if he only bowled a handful of overs in these tests, as you seem to be suggesting, how would that have helped his career? EDIT: Prince beat me to it.

Also, if you've got 4 seamers and him, whom are you dropping from the batsmen?

Depends on whether you have Flintoff available, that's the main thing. Rashid could bat at 7 with the usual long tail too but that's putting a bit too much pressure on him. As for what I mean with occasional bowling, it depends more on the game situation, he might not have to bowl or in the second innings he might get 15-20 overs or more. The main idea behind it is to give him the odd Test to see where's he at, where to improve, to get a bit of experience with him put under the least pressure when there's not much at stake as was the case against WI.

 

[grecian]

Depends on whether you have Flintoff available, that's the main thing. Rashid could bat at 7 with the usual long tail too but that's putting a bit too much pressure on him. As for what I mean with occasional bowling, it depends more on the game situation, he might not have to bowl or in the second innings he might get 15-20 overs or more. The main idea behind it is to give him the odd Test to see where's he at, where to improve, to get a bit of experience with him put under the least pressure when there's not much at stake as was the case against WI.

Flintoff wasn't available, and even so if you have 4 seamers a batsmen has to be dropped, if Rashid plays. Seems a torturous process really, when the incumbent spinner helped us win the series comfortably, and Rashid can only improve in county cricket.

Seems a loser all-round to me. The guys 19, someone like Morton coul;d have smashed him out of the attack, and I think he only had one first-class 50 up to that point. So he may have been routed even by the rubbish Windies.

 

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[Scaly piscine]

Flintoff wasn't available, and even so if you have 4 seamers a batsmen has to be dropped, if Rashid plays. Seems a torturous process really, when the incumbent spinner helped us win the series comfortably, and Rashid can only improve in county cricket.

Seems a loser all-round to me. The guys 19, someone like Morton coul;d have smashed him out of the attack, and I think he only had one first-class 50 up to that point. So he may have been routed even by the rubbish Windies.

The series was over, you're not dropping a batsman so much as resting them. Would it have done any harm to have rested someone like KP? No way. The getting smashed could happen at anytime, but in a situation like a dead rubber against one of the worst teams in Test cricket you can bring him on when you like and the chances are more in your favour.